183 Responses to “Navy Aircrewman Program NOS A500”
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AWFAN,
You should have already completed a Page 13 entry when you signed your contract for ATF-AIRC. I will reread the Milpersman tomorrow, but I remember there being an issue with Selres. I may be mistaking that for something else. Are you at an aviation command or at a NOSC?
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NOSC
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Send me a brief email at [email deleted for privacy] to remind me to look into it tomorrow. Sorry we are prepping for a maintenance inspection so I will probably forget by tomorrow.
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Quick Question, if your already and E-3 going into AW A-School when do you pick E-4? is that after successful completion of A-School or the replenishment school. thank you
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It should be stated in your contract, so look to that as a more explicit answer to your indicidual case. Generally speaking (98% of the people completing C-school at the same time as me) we all advanced to E-4 the same day that we graduated from C-school in Jacksonville.
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How hard is it to get this rate?
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Zach, the top of this page lists the requirements to be eligible for Aircrewman. Whether you meet these requirements or not, go see a recruiter as they can give you a better idea of your chances at becoming an Aircrewman.
If you were talking about the physical aspect, Aircrew school was tough for some and easy for others. The farthest I remember running is 8 miles, which was a formation run and at a moderately slow pace. Be comfortable in the water, this was what most people were dropped/rolled back for. Pool evolutions range from treading water to swimming a mile in full flight gear. You will be trained and prepared for all this for 1-3 months prior to actual testing so it is not essential to get comfortable in the water before shipping out, but it will definitely help.
If you were talking about the academic aspect of becoming an Aircrewman, the Navy believes that if you’ve got a good enough ASVAB score to sign the contract for Aircrew then you will be successful. I had terrible study habits when I joined the Navy but all that changed during C school out of necessity to pass. The Navy will prepare you for the job but you’ve got to be willing to put in the hours and commitment. Don’t quit. Senior leadership is there to mentor the willing and you will be successful as long as you keep a positive attitude and stay out of trouble.
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I was enlisted USN 1863-1971: ATW2(AC), converted to ATR2(AC), and finally AT1(AC). When I left active service, my “aircrewman” designation was (AC) post-fixed to the rate/rank. However, I read that in 2009 the (AC) designation became a RATING and was changed from Naval Aircrewman (NAC) to AV–something. So, what should I ‘properly’ use, the old (1963-1971 era) (AC) or subsequent (NAC) designation, ie: AT1(AC) or AT1(NAC)?
Thank you,
Very respectfully,
Earles L. McCaul
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That’s the rub, the DD214 does not mention Aircrewman designation, onlt AT1/E6; however, section 4. Designator Record of my Navy Occupation and Training History does show: DATE: 2SEP65; DESIGNATOR: AC; QUAL followed by Officer ATF’s initials.
Thanks, (AC) it will be.
Earles.
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Can i be in aircrew if i am an aviation mechanic in the navy? And how would i start that process??
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What’s the difference between a system engineer and an in-flight technician in the AWF community?
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I believe all in flight technicians are AWV or AWO. Not sure what a system engineer is.
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Currently on CMSID and those are my only options for AWF3.
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Strange. I am not familiar with that at all then. I would reach out to your detailer and ask about those billets.
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Beyond PFT standards.
Please describe and highlight the differences between AW with SAR rating vs a AIRR rating. ie….2 years down the line what are the differences in a week in the life, month in the life description?
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I was privileged to serve the United States as a Rescue Swimmer for 22 years.
I would do it again in a second!!!!
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I have a GED, I have a signed contract from meps. My rate is aircrew. I’m now being told my GED is not valid. Got a (76) Asvab score. I’ve been informed my contract is no longer valid? However I’m still eligible for AIRR. Does this make any sense? I feel like I’m being pushed into the spec ops community, and I just want my original Aircrew rate. Am I screwed?
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So I’m ETSing from the army in about 3 years. I enjoy the military, just not the army side of things. I’m in the Aviation branch here as a 15R (Apache Helicopter Crewchief/Mechanic) will this job set be transferrable in any way?
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Hi Vaughn,
The AD rate (Aviation Machinist’s Mate) seems like it would be a similar job. You can look up the specifics but to summarize, ADs are the mechanics for their particular aviation asset whether it be fixed or rotary wing. The AWF rate are the Flight Engineers, which is the AD equivalent in the aircrew ranks. However, AWFs are being phased out as the P-3 is replaced.
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AWFs are not being phased out, just P3s. Navy still owns EP3E, C130T, C40A, C20, C2, and soon V22, all of which have crew positions filled by AWF.
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AWF1,
My mistake I did not clarify. I was more so referring to AWFs as the flight engineer positions in reference to Vaughn’s question. Outside of (E)P3 platforms, I have only interacted with AWFs as either load masters or handing me snacks on the other platforms you mentioned and that was outside of the scope for my response.
VP-30 has been slowing the class billets for AWFs as the Flight Engineer position for years along with AWVs as In-flight technicians, but of course AWVs are still inclusive for some of the platforms you mentioned.
If you have some helpful information for Vaughn in the context of AWFs at the Flight Engineer or more scripted in the AD line of work, I am sure he would be happy to hear it.
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No problem. I am a C130 Flight Engineer. Also VX has C130 FEs and I believe VQ3 and 4 have E6B flight engineers
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Dumb question
Other than seals and swcc, what other rates can get combat deployment?
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Not sure what you mean by combat deployed. Stab in the dark I would say EOD and Seabees
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I have been waiting for the rate (AWR) or (AW) for a couple months. My recruiter says no spots have opened up and I am forced to pick another rate. Is there any reason why this rate is hard to get and do you have any advice on what I should do I could do?
Thank you
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Are you referring to an AIRR contract? I have been out of recruiting since 2010 but it was a special program that required you to perform a physical test prior to getting a contract. If you have performed the PST already I would talk to the RINC in the recruiting station, actually if he hasn’t even mentioned a PST you will want to talk to the RINC. RINC stands for Recruiter in charge. Basically the LPO (Leading Petty Officer) of the office.
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AWF1
sorry I am referring to aircrewman rate.
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How long from after Boot Camp do you get to go home and see family like how many weeks
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Adam,
As an active duty service member you will accrue 30 days of leave per year (2.5 days per month). It is up to you when you decide to use that leave to go home. Your orders will dictate where you go after bootcamp; for Aircrew positions this generally means going to Pensacola, FL for Aircrew Candidate School. From there you will be allowed to take leave as long as it is approved by your chain of command.
The Navy recognizes that most people right out of bootcamp have not accrued many leave days yet so they will allow you to go “in the hole” for leave days. For example, I arrived in Pensacola after bootcamp in mid-December, right before most people were taking leave for Christmas. I only had 5 days of leave saved at this point but I was able to put in a leave request for 10, meaning I returned with a negative balance. You just make those days up on the back end.
To answer your question of how many weeks after bootcamp you must wait to take leave, it depends on many factors. If you are in a hold phase after bootcamp or a holiday period is coming up you will be able to take leave sooner. If you class-up immediately for job training immediately after bootcamp, your chain of command will only approve your leave request under certain circumstances.
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Hi I have a few questions.
1. From boot camp to duty station assignment, how long is all the training?
2. Where are most AW’s stationed? Or what duty stations are AW’s sent to?
3. The rotations for sea and shore are listed as 36mo/36mo. Does this mean for 36 months you’re at sea and never at your duty station to see your family? Please explain how this works. Thanks!
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I recently completed AWF A school and am seeking to make E-4 through accelerated advancement. I am SELREs, do not have an FRS, and therefore I believe I am eligible for E-4 because I am in an advanced technical field. I was told by a PS I would have needed a page 13 saying I would get accelerated advancement upon enlistment, but according to MILPERSMAN 1220-010 I just need CO’s recommendation. Is this correct?