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Medically Disqualifed at MEPS, Now What?

Navy Recruiting Medical Waiver Process

Published: September 17th, 2009
Updated: June 1, 2015

Over the past couple of years, I have received a large number of emails asking me about the waiver process for medical issues. The Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) may have already permanently disqualified the individual, or is concerned they may have a condition which force them to endure the process and anxiety of the medical waiver.

First of all, the approval of a medical waiver is the responsibility of the Commander, Navy Recruiting Command (CNRC). The Admiral makes a decision with input from a qualified medical authority.

To dispel a myth, Navy Recruiting does not use the Navy Bureau of Medicine and Surgery (BUMED) to make recommendations for an individual’s physical/psychological condition to enter enlisted Naval service.

Nearly a decade ago, in an effort to reduce applicant waiting time (which often times extended three months or more), CNRC added to the staff a medical department. Commander, Navy Recruiting Command’s medical staff (CNRC N33) which includes a doctor and a small cadre of Navy Corpsman who work at the CNRC headquarters in Millington, Tn. now makes the medical recommendations to the Admiral in a fraction of the time.

The Process:

You first must be permanently disqualified (PDQ) by the MEPS medical department. The disqualification could come from your initial medical document reading (you do not make a trip to MEPS), or during your physical at the MEPS. Temporary disqualifications are not reviewed for medical waivers. Here is a post I made last year which lists many of the medical conditions that may be waiverable. Conditions not normally considered for a medical waiver.

If the MEPS PDQ’d you based on the medical documents submitted, MEPS will not allow you to process further – CNRC N3M must direct MEPS, if N33 determines a waiver may be possible, to provide you with a physical. N33’s direction to MEPS may include consultation(s), a visit to an outside specialist like an orthopedic doctor or a cardiologist.

Note: You need to be prepared to make more than one visit to MEPS depending on consultation requirements.

Once the final results of the MEPS physical and consultations are complete (including blood work), those results will be sent to N33 for review. N33 will then make a recommendation to the Admiral (usually within 3-5 days depending on backload).

If the MEPS PDQ’d you during the physical then N33 may direct further testing via consultation, or make a final recommendation to the Admiral for approval or disapproval without further medical tests.

I hope this helps you understand the process for a medical waiver, and hopefully make it a little less intimidating. As always, feel free to email your questions!

Waiver Process for Prior Drug and/or Alcohol Dependency

If you have been psychologically or physically dependent upon drugs or alcohol, recruiting personnel may request a Commander, Navy Recruiting Command eligibility determination when the pre-service dependency has been resolved in such a way that there is little likelihood that such behavior will recur. Your MEPS physical must include a psychiatric consultation.

Although medical waivers are very rare for previous drug or alcohol dependency, you may be considered a good risk for entry into the Navy if:

  • a. You have successfully abstained from drugs and alcohol for more than two years,
  • b. Your employment history or school attendance subsequent to rehabilitation is favorable, and
  • c. You appear well motivated.
  • d. A minimum of two years has elapsed since release from treatment.

Note 1: Where corrected in the post, the comments may still refer to CNRC 00M, 00M is now known as CNRC N3M – the function is still the same. As of January 30, 2012, N3M is now referred to as N33 (originally, 00M).
Note 2: The advice and prognostications delivered in the comments by NavyDoc are based on his years of experience as a MEPS Chief Medical Officer, and he is only able take into account the information you provide, so for a more definitive response, ensure you are thorough with the description of your issue(s).
Note 3: The information contained in the comments is very extensive; your question may have already been addressed – read before posting. Thank you!



3,522 Responses to “Navy Recruiting Medical Waiver Process”


  1. vincent:

    Do i have to talk to a recruiter to submitted a waiver?

  2. NCCM(ret):

    Vincent,

    Before any waiver can be requested, you must first officially be disqualified by the MEPS. Before the MEPS can review your medical record(s), you must visit a recruiter who will submit the proper documentation.

  3. NCCM(ret):

    Josh,

    The length of time your waiver reply has taken is excessive. I would have your Recruiter ensure that the follow-up documentation that was requested at the end of Jan was actually received by the requesting authority.

  4. Josh:

    Ok…so I’m now solely blowing up this blog…

    My recruiter called me today and said that I have to go back to MEPS for a THIRD visit. This time he said that it is for a consult with the doctor and says if all goes well there that I will be probably given a contract on that visit. Now what I am wondering is why are they having me in there for another time? I already tested the first visit (twice) and once again on my second visit. Each time with basically the same results while using the MEPS equipment. When I tested at my civilian audiologist I passed with the minimum requirements, but I passed. So, is this going to prolly be a doctor interview and he/she uses their judgment to give a yay or nay or do you think it will be another audio test to determine eligibility?

  5. NCCM(ret):

    Josh,

    No, if they are sending you on a consult it means they are sending you to a contracted doctor (off site, most likely another audiologist) to get another reading. The reading they get from the consult will be the one they use for determining your eligibility. I HIGHLY recommend that between now and the consult you wear hearing protection, and avoid loud music!

  6. Josh:

    So if I pass then I pass…however if I don’t pass can they still grant me a waiver or is it the end of the line? Considering the fact that a waiver is for something that is a current issue…e.g. I wouldn’t need the waiver if my hearing passes at the consult doctor, I would simply be approved on the basis that my hearing is acceptable.

    Also is the paperwork/test/recommendation from the civilian audiologist that I already seen a few weeks ago (and passed the audiology exam btw) going to help my case at all??? Sorry for all the questions, I’m just freaking out with all the anticipation and hoops I have been having to jump through.

  7. NCCM(ret):

    The documentation from your doctor is what got you the second look (the consult) – so it did help your case, but won’t be used to determine eligibility.

    The standard for passing the hearing portion of the physical (for the Navy) is; “Pure tone hearing loss at 500, 1000, 2000 Hz of not more than 30 db on average with no individual level greater than 35 db at these frequencies in either ear. Pure tone hearing loss at 3000 Hz of not more than 45 db and 4000 Hz not more than 55 db in either ear.”

    For waiver consideration, the book says, “Hearing loss not greater than 40 db in up to two (2) frequencies beyond the 2000 range standards.” I understand that to mean – if your other freq ranges above 2000 HZ are below 40db loss then the 60db loss at 4000 HZ may be reviewed. As I have never seen that circumstance, I do not know the waiver chances for such.

  8. anonymous:

    I was recently disqualified from meps and although I had a doctor state that the problem was fine and would not prevent me from physical activities (knee pains) It was sent up to the military surgeon general command and they too disqualified me. I am wondering is this permanent? even though there was no surgery done or needed.

  9. NCCM(ret):

    If you currently suffer from knee pain, then you will not see a waiver granted by any service. Something is causing the pain – you will require surgery, therapy, or at the very least, an extended period of time where any amount of physical activity doesn’t cause pain in your knees.

    I’ll give an example of flat feet; flat feet is not ultimately disqualifying. People who have flat feet but experience no pain, are very likely to have a waiver approved whereas those who have had complaints of foot pain will not.

  10. Josh:

    Just got my waiver approved! Navy here I come!

  11. Josh:

    Ok now more waiver concerns…

    Now that I am approved for the navy, I am shooting for Navy SEALs. According to my Seal Recruiter, I will have to apply for another waiver to enter BUDs due to the fact that the hearing requirements are even higher for spec. warfare. Would anyone know how often they dish out these waivers, or if its even possible?

    Josh

  12. NCCM(ret):

    Josh,

    Anytime you are allowed to submit a waiver for something, you have a chance of being approved. If the SEAL motivator suggests the waiver then he must feel there is a chance.

  13. NCCM(ret):

    Katy,

    Once you submit your medical records for review, I suspect the MEPS will allow you to process and they will send you out for a psychiatric consultation – if your prognosis is good, you should be OK because of how long ago it was and the fact you have been symptom free since treatment. A suicide attempt is a symptom of an issue (in your case, depression), and not considered a medical problem in of itself.

  14. Katy:

    Thank you so much for answering my comment!
    So would sending in a psychiatric consulation with my medical records to MEPS would it knock out a step?

    Also I had a surgery on my left hip when i was 18 months old because i was born without a hip socket..they had to break the femur to make one…there is no medal or anything unusual in my hip. I have ran all four years of my high school career on a varsity cross country and track team…do i have to get a waiver for this?

  15. Katy:

    So I will not have to go through the waiver process for the depression issue?

    And I have no idea how to get those medical records for my hip. I was a baby at the time I dont even know what hospital it was at. I know I am more than capible of passing anything physical but if they just see the scar are they going to take me through the whole process?

  16. NCCM(ret):

    Katy,

    Whether or not you require a waiver will depend on the severity and prognosis – if for the last 6 years you have been asymptomatic and medication free because your doctor took you off of it because the need was no longer there, then you should have no problem – there truly is so many variables, I could not give a definitive answer, but as I said previously, you “should” be OK.

    When the MEPS doctor sees the scar, he/she will inquire about it, and he/she will require medical records for the problem. What city were you born in? How many hospitals are located there? Does any family members recall which hospital? I can’t remember won’t cut it – the MEPS will expect you and the Recruiter to exhaust all means in locating the medical records.

    Go see a Recruiter and get things started!

  17. Katy:

    Thank you so much!
    It means so much to me that someone is taking the time to answer my quesitons.
    I really do appriciate it…thanks again.

  18. NCCM(ret):

    Katy,

    No, you cannot submit a consultation – the MEPS has contracted people that they use (at their expense).

    As far as the femur, hip socket issue – as long as you don’t have a limp, both legs are of about the same length, and you’re asymptomatic and athletic – I don’t see why you would not pass the physical out-right w/o the need of a waiver. It may require an orthopedic consultation with x-rays, but as with the other issue, that would be at MEPS expense. If you have current x-rays (don’t go out and get some on your own just for this), then make sure they are submitted with your medical records.

  19. Katy:

    I had another question regarding my hip sittuation. I found out what hospital it was from but they said since it was so far back the records are going to be very hard to find and that it will take from six to ten weeks. Would just going to MEPS and then waiting until they see the scars and then answering any questions they have be shorter or once they see the scars are they going to want medical records no matter what even if it is 18 years old?

  20. NCCM(ret):

    Katy,

    In order to go to MEPS in the first place, you must fill out and sign forms that ask questions about your medical history – omitting known stuff is not the way to try and start a career. Have your Recruiter contact the “Dial a Medic”, or, if they won’t answer, the service liaison, at the MEPS, and have him explain the circumstance completely; MEPS may suggest something I haven’t considered, they may make you wait for the records or they may allow you to process without them and send you on the orthopedic consult with x-rays to ensure there are no abnormalities that could possibly effect you in the future.

  21. Dave:

    Hi, I was “Permanently Disqualified” by MEPS the day before yesterday for two reasons. Frankly, I was incredulous. I was disqualified for an ankle surgery I had a little under a year ago. I had damaged some cartilage from running, but was told by the doctor that my ankle would be 100 percent within several months. I believe him because I have run two marathons this spring, with the fastest personal times yet, and not a qualm from my ankle. The second thing is more complicated, but equally confusing to me. When I was 18 (I am now almost 22), my mom saw me leaving the house late at night and called the police, saying she feared depression and/or suicidal intent. Well, long story short, I was sneaking out of the house to meet up with friends, and the doctor at the ER reported it as such: Mother says he wants to hurt himself: Patient denies depression or SI. To understand the situation better, my mom has been diagnosed with clinical paranoia and emotional/control disorders. I have never had a thought of suicide in my life. I was DQ’d without recommendation for a waiver. Bascially, I am being told it is the end of the road for me.

    Is there any way to appeal this decision?

    I am very well qualified. I scored 97 on the ASVAB, I speak fluent German (exchange student for 1 year), on Dean’s List at my college, I am extremely physically fit, I graduated in the top 5% of my high school class of 500, I played on a state-championship soccer team…

    Needless to say, I was shocked when I was “Permanently DQ’d”
    And, the letter made no mention of a waiver or an appeal. Is there anything I can do?

    Thanks!
    Dave

  22. NCCM(ret):

    Dave,

    It doesn’t sound as if the ankle is the issue.

    Was there no follow-up with a doctor to the emergency room visit in the second, more complicated issue?

    Did the MEPS send you on a psychiatric consult? If not, I am surprised they allowed you to process after the medical document review if they only intended to disqualify you because of the documents.

    Is your Recruiter telling you there is no intention of forwarding a waiver to CNRC?

  23. NCCM(ret):

    Dave,

    Any supporting documentation should be considered, but let us not waste away the entire weekend guessing, wait until your Recruiter comes back with a response to the inquiry he told you he is going to make on Tuesday.

  24. Lee:

    Can someone help me out?
    I went through MEPS a week and a half ago. Did fine on the ASVAB. Phys was fine except…I’m allergic to penicillin. Therefore disqualified me. They told me it should be fine and that I should get a waiver no problem. Now comes the million dollar question. How long is this going to take? I’m trying to get out of here ASAP. Even worse, I’m wanting to go SWCC or Air Rescue which means I have to take my PST and I can’t take the PST until I pass my physical. My recruiter has suddenly lost “interest” and won’t return my phone calls (how convenient). So what do I do? How can I expedite this whole process so that I’m not waiting around for months?

  25. NCCM(ret):

    Lee,

    Once your labs are back, your waiver can be sent – the labs can take three to four days to return. The waiver can take about 5 business days once it is received at CNRC. So, should be about 8-10 working days if everything goes smooth.

    How fast you can ship to boot camp depends on when the jobs you qualify for have vacancies on the day you are completing your processing.

  26. Lee:

    Thank you for that. So when the waiver gets approved (hopefully), will they immediately contact my recruiter? And will I automatically get the waiver or will I have to go back up to MEPs for a consult?

  27. NCCM(ret):

    Lee,

    Your Recruiter will be contacted once the waiver is given a determination, or if there is additional testing required. If you haven’t heard back after about 10 working days, call your Recruiter and see if he can get you a status (ie. confirm it is at the proper desk), follow-up is always a good idea. :)

  28. Lacy:

    Will not signing the medical portion of the SF86 stop the process? Even though it says optional will they look at the no signature and get all freeked out because I didnt sign it. Another thing is a security clearance required to enlist. And lastly does MEPS have questions pertaining to medical records like the security clearance does?

  29. NCCM(ret):

    Lacy,

    Refusing to verify and sign any documents required for enlistment, including the SF-86, will stop your processing. Everyone has a background check completed, even if you do not require a clearance. If your job requires a security clearance, a much more in-depth check is completed.

  30. Lacy:

    At MEPS will they ask me to release my medical records and if they do can i refuse and still join?

  31. NCCM(ret):

    If you are asked to produced medical documents to explain a past ailment, and you cannot produce it – your process will be stopped until they are located. If the documents do not exist, lost in a office fire or something like that, then the MEPS may send you on a consultation for the issue, or may out-right disqualify you.

  32. Lacy:

    Oh ok I understand. Thank you for your answers.

  33. Sara:

    I know this may seem weird and discusting but im going to ask anyway…will a yeast infection keep you out of the military?

  34. NCCM(ret):

    Sara,

    If it is currently active, not responsive to therapy or requires prolonged treatment, or produces complications – it would be a problem, but if it is cleared up, you should have no problem at all.

  35. Carly:

    I had asthma issues when I was young but haven’t had a problem with it since I was 13. I was wondering if i didn’t say anything at MEPS would they have access to those records? Also I had surgery on my arm and there are visible scars so if they look into my medical history for this issue would the asthma situation show up because I think they were both paid with using the same insurance. So, I guess my question summed up would be, when they look into your medical history, do they have to be looking for a specific issue or does it ALL show up?

  36. NCCM(ret):

    Carly, Lacy, Sara, or Katy,

    Lying or attempting to deceive the process is wrong, and more than likely you will be found out. If you are not eligible, your not eligible – go do something else in life. That said, get all your medical records, submit them; have the courage to move through life without violating your honor and integrity.

  37. Michael:

    I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was 5 years old in 1996 and was taken off in 2002. So I was on Dexedrine for roughly 5 or 6 years. I am now almost 19 an have SEAL hopes for my future. My records show that I was off in 2002 and never took meds again. The doctor who is now retired, did not put why the meds were stopped. When I asked my parents, they said the doctor and my parents ha a meeting and all decided to take me off. Is this going to be an issue? I have been told no by many people but I’d like your opinion. Thank you.

  38. NCCM(ret):

    Michael,

    As long as you have the supporting documentation demonstrating that you have been a productive member of society – successfully completed high school without a slew of failures, held a job (if you had one), and didn’t have disciplinary issues then you should have no problem. Your Recruiter will gather all the documentation required.

  39. Michael:

    Thank you for the response Master Chief. I have just graduated highschool 3 weeks ago. I was a B and C average student so I think I’ll be okay on that end. And I have succesfully held all three jobs that I have started in the past. Good news. Thanks again.

  40. Audrey:

    Thanks for taking the time to answer questions. I believe it helps! I am interested in joining the military. I really haven’t decided on which branch. I’m down to Army or Navy. My question is about breast reductions. If I get a reduction because of back pains, will that disqualify me from joining? I went onto navy.com and asked during the live chat and he/she said it “depends,” he/she did not specify any further! If you could give me any insight I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks

  41. NCCM(ret):

    Audrey,

    Reduction mammoplasty is really not that uncommon. If you had the surgery for the reason to make yourself more comfortable, and the surgery succeeds in that purpose, then you shouldn’t have any problem. I don’t know what it is, but I am sure you are going to have a minimum wait time after the surgery to ensure you no longer have issues.

    If the surgery is as part of tumors, cancer, or other masses, then it would depend on time and prognosis.

  42. NCCM(ret):

    Paul,

    The time you have waited is well beyond any length of time it should have taken to get a response. Ask the Recruiter to call and get an update, if he will not – ask to talk with his supervisor. Someone should be able to provide you with an answer, one way or another.

  43. Paul:

    I talked to him last week and he tells me that he checks everytime he goes to MEPS and they haven’t done it yet. Is something wrong in the way he went about submitting the paperwork?

    -thanks

  44. NCCM(ret):

    Paul,

    It stands to reason that if he checks every time he goes to MEPS and they haven’t told him anything is wrong with the documentation, he must have submitted it right. But, you are saying he submitted this stuff in early Feb – you should have some sort of an answer by now.

    Force the issue or just keep waiting; your call.

  45. Tiffany:

    I have pituatary adenoma. My recruiter hasn’t sent in my papers yet. But he’s sayin that most likely I’m going to be disqualified. Do you know if they would give me a medical waiver and be allowed to join?

  46. NCCM(ret):

    Tiffany,

    I have no experience with this particular issue. I hope you can come back and share with us what does happen so we can all learn from your process.

  47. Lee:

    Ok, it has been two weeks since MEPS and I still havent heard back from my rectuiter about my penicillen waiver. Man, how long is this going to take? It wouldn’t be such a big deal but I’m not 20 years old. Do I just keep waiting? Anything else I can do?

  48. NCCM(ret):

    Lee,

    It has been long enough, your Recruiter should be able to find an answer for you. The only thing I can think of that may be holding it up was the flooding Navy Recruiting Command and the entire base of Navy Support Activity Mid-South, Millington, TN, suffered, but my understanding is that 99% of the functions of Recruiting Command are back on track.

  49. Felice:

    Hi, its me again, I just spoke to my recruiter about what date my consult will be. He has informed me that he doesn’t know & hell have to receive a fax, which may have a date about 2 weeks after it was received. My first day at Meps was 05262010. My problem is that I have to go to NY temporarily to work. I will be back in Florida by september, can I just do the consult then? I know everything is a like a rush wait process. At the same time I have obligations right now. &I know this is a long process but longer than what I expected . So the question is, will my physical still be valid in September when I come back for my consultation?

  50. NCCM(ret):

    Besides having to get re-weighed, pregnancy tests (females obviously), and evaluation of any changes that may have occurred since the last MEPS visit, the physical is good for two years.

    Make sure your Recruiter knows of you plans; yes, a consult, if they want to do one now, can be done when you get back.

  51. Crystal:

    I submitted my intial paperwork in March. I have an abnormal pap in my medical history and took it upon myself to have my medical records faxed to my recruiter. A month goes by and heard nothing. I then contact them repeatedly and they tell me that my orthodontist note was missing. I got the note proving the completion of my treatment and and two months have gone by. After leaving direct voice messages to my recruiter’s cell phone, I have not heard word on what is going on? I haven’t been to MEPS yet. Can’t I still get a physical examination while waiting on my medical waiver?

  52. Crystal:

    Oh and I forgot to mention…I was treated for the abnormal pap and am fine per my med records…and I had an invisalign which I completed treatment for months ago. Should it be taking this long? Should I get a different recruiter? I have been quite respectful of this particulat recruiter.

  53. tim:

    My recruiter scheduled me for Meps and shortly before we were to leave meps called and said they needed medical records from a fractured collarbone i had when I was ten years old. My recruiter requested the records from the hospital three weeks ago and still has not received a response. This required no surgery and all the hospital did was a xray and apply a splint. I am 27 now. If the records cannot be located how long will this take? Are there any other options such as paying for a current xray on my own? My recruiter says he is anxious to get me down there because of my high pre-test score and thinks I could get into the nuclear program – I don’t know what to do – any advice?

  54. NCCM(ret):

    Tim,

    Your recruiter should get a statement from the hospital saying they have exhausted all efforts and cannot locate the records – that statement/letter should allow you to start the physical, and if required, the MEPS will have you see an ortho doctor and get x-rays. Don’t spend your own money.

  55. NCCM(ret):

    Crystal,

    Have you talked to your Recruiter since March? Has he transferred? What were the underlying reasons for the abnormal PAP? Have you completed any recruiting medical forms that have accompanied your medical records to the MEPS for review? Have you taken the ASVAB? You say, “this particular recruiter.” How many Recruiters have you had?

  56. Crystal:

    NCCM-
    I talked to my recruiter last month because he stated that he needed a note regarding my orthodontic treatment in addition to my pap records. Reasons behind abnormal pap is cervical dysplasia which was treated. I provided my records showing treatment and clearance of the abnormal pap. The only forms I filled out were my initial submission forms that noted an abnormal pap in my history as well my references and whatnot. I spoke with another recruiter to see if they could call and find out what the issue was and they stated they couldn’t help me because my current recruiter was handling my paperwork. No, I have no yet taken the ASVAB and would like to, but they said I couldn’t go to MEPS until they okay’d my medical records. I have made several calls to my recruiter and won’t get returns to my messages. No he has not transferred, I do know that they were shorthanded because a couple recruiters were out due to unknown reasons. Should I go to a completely different office and start fresh? I feel like I was persistent and followed up quite and bit and I am basically at a standstill.

  57. NCCM(ret):

    Crystal,

    If your Recruiter is not taking your calls, then contact the Recruiter-in-Charge (RINC) of the station. Someone should be able to give you an update. If you don’t get an answer, contact the NRD and ask for the CR.

  58. Lee:

    It has been 5 weeks since MEPs. Still nothing on the medical waiver. When you add that, with the fact that I’m 31 and thus will also need an age waiver, do I need to just give up and move on with life? I’ve been training my butt off but I don’t want to continue waisting my time (training at this intensity level) if it is all for nothing.

  59. NCCM(ret):

    Lee,

    I can only assume that your Recruiter is calling and asking if there is any word back on your waiver – because it has been this long, he needs to call his command to contact the waiver authority and verify that they actually have the waiver package.

    Are you in contact with the Navy Challenge Program (SEAL SWCC) motivator? Press his buttons, too.

  60. Lee:

    Yes, well, he says he’s been calling them. Now if he actually is, who knows. He said that they DO have the waiver package.

    Now who is the challenge program motivator? I’m not sure who that is and how to even get in touch with him.

  61. Jessica:

    Can you help with this one….
    My husband had to get a medical waiver for hearing, which he got!!, and went today to sign his paperwork and was told that due to his age, 35, and that he had to have a medical b waiver they and to send his file to a medical review board and his file was on hold. But they did have him sign. He got the impression that this was just a formality but could they still deny him at this point?
    Thanks

  62. NCCM(ret):

    Jessica,

    I assume he is going in the Reserve? Is he prior service? Is the additional waiver for the specific job? They put him on hold, but let him join anyway? I too, am confused :)

  63. Jessica:

    Ok sorry left out some info. Yes the reserves, no he is not prior service. He went to meps today to pick his “school” not sure what the proper name is and sign the papers. And he explained to me that after he signed and that they said it had to get sent to a review board there in San Diego and would only take a couple days and was because of his age combined with the fact that he had to get a medical b waiver? They even said when his date was for boot camp and let him pick radiology tech as his job. He thought when they said the hearing waiver had been approved he would go sign and it would be a done deal but no such luck. Have you ever heard of anything like this? Sorry this message is convaluted, I’m trying to type it all on my phone!!

  64. NCCM(ret):

    Jessica,

    I don’t know what a “medical b” waiver is, unless it is being confused with a BUMED waiver – which I describe in the post as the way things used to get done, many years ago. If what I describe below is incorrect – please let me know.

    So, I think I understand what is going on. There is a provision for certain medical issues that allow for a contract to be written. It is called the Delayed Enlistment Medical (DEM) Program. It is commonly used for those with a hearing loss, provided the hearing loss is not greater than 40 db in up to two frequencies beyond the 2000 range standards. In a nut shell, he did not meet the minimum hearing standards and required a waiver to join, but because he was recommended for a waiver and was within the DEM standards, he was able to join.

    It is pretty rare that a DEM waiver is not ultimately approved.

  65. NCCM(ret):

    Kelsey,

    If the information your job and school can supply is relevant to the issue you were disqualified for, then I would think they would look at it. Your biggest problem is that you have already had a consultation, and because of the outcome, it must not have went as well as you thought it did. If the consultation had a positive outcome, the MEPS doctor may still have disqualified you, but I would think he would have recommended you for a waiver.

    Unless you have the additional, supporting and relevant documentation (even with the documentation, it may not be enough to help), I am afraid you may need to look elsewhere for career opportunities.

  66. Lee:

    I’ve officially given up on the Navy. It has been two months since I went to meps. It makes no sense to me that I don’t drink, smoke, drug….I’ve never even had a speeding ticket and yet because I’m allergic to penicillin, I can’t join the Navy. I just don’t get it.

  67. Don:

    My wife has been trying to get in a medical program in the NAVY for a while now. MEPS DQ’d her, so her package was sent to a “medical review board” per her recruiter. The board just denied her. Is there a way to push further than that? Normally would give up at this point, but this is for a procedure she had in her heart 5 years ago. They put in a wire mesh to allow the heart muscle to grow around it. The heart has grown around it now so it is 100% repaired. I know of pilots and divers who have gotten in with this type of ASD closure. yet the board came back with a no because she had a “device”. There is no device! Her dr even wrote a letter saying that! The “board” is not reading this! What is the next step? I don’t think she should just roll over on this one?

  68. Ginelle:

    Question-My son was PDQ’d for heart problems he does not have. He was first diagnosed at MEPS as having a heart murmur, then further testing by MEPS (echocardiogram) said he had a valve problem. Neither problem affects my son as we had our family physician and the cardiologist look at him. The cardiologist went so far as to perform a TEE (transesophageal echocardiogram-an invasive procedure that uses a scope down the throat to look at the heart) and said there is nothing wrong. We’ve sent letters to our representative, all to no avail. Is there any avenue left for us? This was my son’s dream, to be career military.

  69. NCCM(ret):

    Don,

    The congenital heart issues that are repaired soon after birth usually do not pose a problem for enlistment as long as there were no lingering problems. Unlike the surgery your wife had, those who had their heart repaired just after birth had many more years to show their will not complications. I do not know how many years constitutes enough time, and there is no recourse for a CNRC disapproval for the Navy (medical waivers are service specific).

  70. NCCM(ret):

    Ginelle,

    Whereas I have seen individuals with very mild murmurs physically qualify, a pronounced heart murmur, one that would require additional testing, is one that I have never seen qualify via the MEPS physical or with a waiver.

  71. Ginelle:

    NCCM,
    My son does not have a heart murmur nor any other heart problem though according to MEPS he does and therein lies the problem…he was misdiagnosed by the doctors at MEPS. Our doctors (family physician and cardiologist) have both stated that he is healthy with no signs of heart problems or any other health issues. I am wondering if there is any other course we can pursue in order to help my son acheive his goal of enlisting.

  72. NCCM(ret):

    Ginelle,

    I understood from your first post that MEPS heard a murmur, and then sent him to a cardio consultation – that would be with a cardiologist. Granted, he didn’t complete the extensive TEE, but he must have seen and heard something.

    Has the results of the TEE been sent to the MEPS for review?

    Also, I have removed your last name from the post for your privacy.

  73. Joe:

    Josh,

    How did you get approved exactly I’m just about in the same pinch as you were just Army and my left ear instead of your right. What was the process exactly.

    Nccm,

    ALright this is something weird I applied for a Waiver in 08 approved (momma had breast cancer had to take care of her) and in late 09 was disapproved with exact same paper work with no tests done exept I redid ASVAB. How does that happen.

  74. NCCM(ret):

    Joe,

    Physicals, and waivers are good for two years from the date of the initial physical – depending on the service and the length of time within the two years, the waiver may need to be re-signed as long as there have been no changes in your status. Remember, as far as MEPS is concerned you failed the physical and the service waived you. Administratively, MEPS will always have you as a PDQ/PMR.

    The medical waiver is service specific – a Navy waiver will not work for the Army, and vice versa. Waivers for a loss of hearing comes down to the thresholds, if two years had passed and you needed a new physical, and your hearing has gotten worse then you may now be outside waiverable limits. The ASVAB, when discussing the physical, unless you failed it, has no bearing on your eligibility to join.

  75. Ginelle:

    NCCM,
    My son never saw a (MEPS) cardiologist, he was seen by a tech who told him after the echo, believe it or not, that his heart seemed to be pumping backwards, that the blood flow did not look normal. Because of this we took him to our own doctor who did not hear a murmur but sent him to the cardiologist anyway. The cardiologist saw him, did another echo on him and then, performed the TEE as a precautionary measure because we were so concerned that maybe there was something wrong. All test came back negative and there is nothing wrong. We sent the results to MEPS, but because the doctor had already DQ’d him and sent the letter stating this, they would not look at the results.

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