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Requirements for NAVET Reenlistment

NAVET Reenlisting Rules

Updated: May 10, 2017

First, what is a NAVET? According to OPNAVINST 1100.4C, “NAVETs are applicants whose last tour of active duty or active duty for training was in the United States Navy or Navy Reserve, have been discharged or released more than 24 hours, and who completed a minimum of 12 consecutive weeks of active duty or active duty for training (to include boot-camp graduation).” Additionally, applicants applying for enlistment in the Active Component who are in the New Accession Training (NAT) Program are also considered NAVETS even though they may have completed less than 12 consecutive weeks active duty or active duty for training.

If you are on the Temporary Disability Retirement List (TDRL) attempting to return, refer to this TDRL page — the process is different.

The requirements and procedures

Note: much of the information is taken directly from COMNAVCRUITCOMINST 1130.8K, VOLUME IV, Section 8 for a majority of this post. Although it should answer many of the questions, at least it does for a majority of the questions I receive, it does not cover everything, so please be sure to contact your local recruiter for how your case should be specifically handled.

NAVETS must meet the same basic eligibility requirements of someone trying to enlist for the first time, and that does include using the accession medical standards and NOT the retention medical standards — they are different! The accession standard is more strict. Your separation physical can be used by the Military Entrance Processing Station as long as the physical is not more than ONE year old.

NAVETs must also meet dependency requirements.

Prior service must be verified with the original or certified copy of the DD Form 214. If an appropriate DD Form 214 is not available, or evidence of alteration exists, prior service shall be verified through the Reenlistment Eligibility Data Display (REDD) Web Application.

NAVETs must meet RE-Code requirements to be enlistment eligible.

NAVETs shall only be enlisted in under-manned rates and ratings. All entry requests, including conversions, must be authorized by the applicable Enlisted Community Manager (ECM), VIA NAVCRUITCOM (N32), due to rating manning issues.

The applicant is not to a call directly to the ECM! The bold emphasis is mine.

Read the next part very carefully concerning broken service and how you may be affected by high year tenure.

NAVETs must be able to complete 20 years of service by age 60. No waivers will be considered.

NAVETs discharged in paygrade E3 or below must have one year or less of prior service and no more than six years broken service.

NAVETs with more than one year of prior service must have been discharged in paygrade E4 or higher and have no more than five years broken service.

NAVETs discharged in paygrades E4 through E6 cannot have more than five years broken service without ECM waiver approval. Waiver requests should document significant Reserve service or civilian equivalent certification.

NAVETs accessed in paygrade E4 must have no more than four years of prior service to enlist. NAVETs accessing in paygrade E5 must have no more than 10 years of prior service and those accessing in paygrade E6 must have no more than 14 years of prior service.

If frocked at the time of discharge NAVETs can request reenlistment in the frocked paygrade only if reenlisting within six months of discharge and in the previously held rating. ECM and PERS-811 approval, via NAVCRUTCOM (N32), is required. NAVETs converting to a new rating via PRISE III are ineligible for reenlistment in a prior frocked paygrade.

For those with civilian experience that followed their time in the Navy:

NAVETs with civilian experience convertible to a Navy rating may be approved for a higher paygrade from the one previously held. For example, an E4 NAVET who served as a police officer for three years may be eligible for the MA rating under the Prior Service Reenlistment Eligibility (PRISE) III Program as a MA2. All such requests require Enlisted Community Manager (ECM) approval via NAVCRUITCOM (N32). Only NAVCRUITCOM (N32) is authorized to contact the ECM for such approval. NAVCRUITDISTs will submit requests to NAVCRUITCOM (N32) via the respective NAVCRUITREG Commander. The maximum paygrade for accession via PRISE III is E3. PRISE III NAVETs will be promoted to the contracted and approved paygrade upon successful completion of the contracted Class ā€œAā€ School, and if required, Class ā€œCā€ School.

Now, just meeting the above requirements does not mean that you are good-to-go. There has to be billets (openings), and I don’t mean openings that your ECM may see; Navy recruiting command must also have a shipping seat available specifically set aside for NAVETs — there isn’t normally a lot of those. If your stars align, continually follow-up with your recruiter as the process moves along, and stay calm — keep in mind that the process can be cumbersome and time consuming — your patience will be tested.

I hope this does answer a lot of questions, if not, feel free to post a comment! Good luck!



84 Responses to “NAVET Reenlisting Rules”


  1. Davin [Last name redacted for privacy] says:

    Good Morning,

    My name is Davin [Last name redacted for privacy], I am Navet looking forward to enlisting. Master At Arms (EXW) E4 Honorably Discharged May 2013 with an RE1 code and have been attending college for Engineering Science since discharge. I’ve spoken to recruiters, but came up with limited or no results. Any help would be appreciated in being point in the right direction or contact with a recruiter that could assist me.

    Respectfully,
    Davin [Last name redacted for privacy]

  2. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Davin,

    I don’t know the reason for the lack of results or an answer as to why you cannot move forward. As I mention in the post, billets are limited — I recommend getting a direct answer as to why you cannot move forward, and then if not found to be unqualified, contact them at least once a month until you get a chance. Make sure you meet the minimum requirements list in the post — one thing that gets E-4s the most is they may have served just one day past 4 years, and that would make them ineligible due to high year tenure.

  3. Davin [Last name redacted for privacy] says:

    Thank you so much for the prompt response.
    It could be due to higher tenure I suppose as the MA rate was hard for advancement when I was in. Being so it wasn’t until my 4th year that I finally made rank. I made the decision to get out to go to college after one year as an E4 totaling up to 5 years. Would that qualify me in higher tenure?

  4. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Davin,

    Yes, having more than 4 years of active duty (even just one single day more) combined with having your discharge rank as E-4 listed on your DD form 214 would render you ineligible for reenlistment due to high year tenure (HYT) requirements (you must be able to complete a minimum of four years in your reenlistment pay grade without hitting HYT). Get that degree and apply for an officer program!

  5. Michael says:

    Thank you very much, It looks like I do fit the criteria (literally to the letter)!
    Now, would it be a problem for my brother (a CS7) to contact the ECM? He also knows the CO of NPC. Should he be contacting these people? Thanks for your response.

  6. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Michael,

    The ECM, or anyone at PERS that you can contact for that matter, doesn’t control the billets recruiting has that are available for prior service. Those numbers are finite, and when full, they’re full. I would think/hope if your recruiter knew there were seats available that he would be completing your package if you are otherwise fully qualified.

  7. Michael says:

    Unfortunately, my recruiter (no additional information, I don’t want to bad mouth anyone, I just want to do everything I can) whom has the most experience for this area has only gotten 1 person in the last 8 years back into the service from prior service status. He hasnt informed me of any billets or anything that might be available. Just keeps telling me “I dont know yet, Ill let you know” etc etc. Im beginning to think It might be easier just to go into another branch. I was Navy, I want to get back into the navy, but at this point it is just getting silly.

  8. Dean says:

    Good afternoon,

    I left the Navy in 2008 to attend college, but really want to re-enlist. I left as a E-4 (frocked to E-5). I served 4 years.

    Would I be able to utilize the NAVET program?

    Very Respectfully,

    Dean

  9. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Dean,

    As long as you do not have one day longer than 4 years of active duty, ECM approval may be possible — it would depend on your rating and what you have been doing since discharge — seven years out is a long time; that will make it difficult.

  10. Dean says:

    NCCM (Ret),

    I want to thank you for your swift reply.

    I’ve earned my associates while in, and I am very close to my bachelors (I’m terrible with languages to be honest).

    I left as an IT, which I hear is an undermanned rate.

    V/R

    Dean

  11. Jim says:

    NCCM,
    I love that pages like this exist, and I thank you for your unwavering service in retirement.
    I’ve got the re-enlistment bug, and I really don’t want to be surprised at the recruiter. I left as a paid MM2 (conventional, surface) on October 10th, 2012 with exactly 5 years, 0 days net active service. Reentry code RE-1, and I have 1 minor and 1 non-minor dependent. MM hasn’t been undermanned in a decade, but EN looks pretty open in Zone B and I’d like to stay in engineering. Before I walk into a recruiting station with the best of intentions, do you see anything obviously wrong with moving forward?
    Other notes for consideration: prior to my first enlistment, I spent 9 years in civilian IT. Hated it enough to enlist as an MM. Was denied a sec. clearance (and appeals) in 2010 for financial hardship. After my EAOS, I attended ASU for biology and returned to working in IT. Currently, I’m still employed in IT. I’m also color-blind. I’d never received less than an MP eval, and made it through 5 years without even a counseling chit. 98 ASVAB AQFT, top grad from my A-school, and I’ve never scored lower than the 95th percentile on any Navy exam.
    I’d appreciate any feedback you have for me, and any information that will open my eyes to the reality of this process. I love your website, thank you so much for maintaining it so well.
    V/R,
    xMM2

  12. Jim says:

    Oh, and I’m 34

  13. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Jim,

    Thank you for the comments about my site. Tis a labor of love :)

    You will be asked to stack a handful of ratings you would like to do; I would put EN first even though their total manning to BA looks fairly healthy, but I have no idea how their C-Way opportunities look. You may want to add at least two or three to your wish list just to be safe.

  14. Mike says:

    Hello,

    I ended my service as an STS3 with 5 years of service ending in 2012 and I’m now 29. I can see that I’m ineligible for the NAVET program due to HYT. I would love to find a way to get back on subs and I’m sure that’s something outside of your expertise. But since I can’t do NAVET, I’m assuming going reserve is my only option to reenlist, correct? Also, and again I’m not sure if you can answer this but how likely is it that I could get into the reserves, move to active duty and transfer to a sub (assuming billets and undermanning check out) and how long would these steps take assuming I currently meet all physical requirements and haven’t spent any nights with the jailer?

    V/R,
    Mike

  15. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Mike,

    I went to an expert on this, and here is the information I received: “Reserve avenue: He would have to change rates for the reserve and after joining could apply for RC to AC via NOSC CCC. I’ve seen a lot of success with this program across my district. There’s no guarantee in being able to go back into subs right away, but it would be an avenue back to active duty. I think I’ve seen maybe 5 STS seats in 7 years, and that’s why I said crossrate.”

    I hope this helps.

  16. Chris says:

    Good afternoon I am YN2 who will have 7 years of service at my EAOS. I have received a CWAY quota in rate on the active side but desire to do the selected reserves now upon my contract ending.

    First question is since I already have an active quota will
    I be able to “switch back” to get a SELRES one, or will I have to let my
    Contract come to an end completely and get back in through a prior service recruiter? The prior service recruiter I have spoken with already said if I work with him within 60 days of discharge he would
    Be able use my separation physical rather than me having to go back to Meps. Is this true? I am concerned because since being in service I have developed high blood pressure which is controlled on medication but I am wanting to know if I will have to go through Meps again to go from active to reserves and risk disqualifying myself from any future service in that process?

    V/R
    YN2

  17. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Chris,

    My best advice is for you to stay active. I cannot tell you the number of people who got out and wished like hell they stayed.

    Tot he Reserve option, yes, the recruiter can use your discharge physical for that period of time — after that, you must pass medical just like a new recruit. Think hard on this one.

  18. carlos says:

    Hi master chief,
    I submitted a prior service application back in march of this year and still have not heard anything from my recruiter. However I am now having second thoughts on the rates I listed for my application. Most were construction rates which I’ve heard were overmanned. Would you advise reaching out to my recruiter and changing my rates to undermanned/in demand rates?

    VR, AO3

  19. Blake says:

    Hello,

    I was a BU3 Active duty when I was discharged back in 2012. Now I am doing my packet to get into the Reserves and I am changing rates over to HM. In the packet just completed it talks about 18 months to finish training. So what exactly does that mean? Am I going to show up to my reserve command as a BU and have to drop a chit to go HM?

  20. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Blake,

    You will have a requirement to convert to your new rating in that period of time or you will be discharged. You will not be allow to remain a BU. Your recruiter should be able to define the process and requirements further.

  21. Shelly says:

    Good afternoon,
    I am a prior YN2, got out in 2006 after 7 years, I know that I have been out for a little while but is there a chance I could go back to after duty, maybe with a waiver for the amount of time I have been out? I am currently a Gov’t civilian and have been working in Admin offices with the Dept of the Navy so will that help my chances of going back active. Thank you in advance.
    Shelly

  22. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Shelly,

    Getting back in after being out for 10 years will be difficult. Best case is you are allowed to reenlist as a YN, but I have no idea whether it is overmanned. I don’t remember YN or PS with a manpower problem. The ECM must allow you to return as an E-5 — might be possible with your federal service working in admin the whole time, but the rating needs to be accepting prior service for the ECM to even see the record. You need to make contact with a prior service recruiter at teh NRD closest to you — your local recrutier should be able to give you the contact info.

  23. Melissa says:

    Good evening,

    I got out of the navy about two and a half years ago, I got out as an E3 but since then I have got a certificate in medical assistanting and I’m about to finish my associates. Is there anyway I can possibly go back in?

  24. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Melissa,

    If you had more than one year of active duty and discharged as an E-3, you are not eligible to reenlist per NAVET guidelines.

  25. Shelly says:

    How long should it take to get an answer if “your stars align” once the ECM has your information? What is the process from there?
    VR

  26. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Shelly,

    It depends on the ECM and how many ECMs your package may have to go to if the first choice does not approve it. They do not work for Navy Recruiting Command — they do try to work expeditiously, but it may not be a priority for them. I have seen responses take up to a month to get. Once the ECM approves it and recruiting has an open NAVET billet available, you’d go to MEPS and get the job — the date you would leave for TPU would depend on that available billet’s date.

  27. Mathew says:

    NCCM,

    Good morning, Master Chief. I’m writing because I’ve become interested in possibly reenlisting in the Navy. I served 8 years as a CTI2, and had passed the CTI1 exam just before I got out. My RE-code is R1, but I got out in December 2007. I know my rate and NEC(9216) has always been critical to the Navy. Since I’ve left, I used my GI bill and completed my bachelor’s degree from a university. I may need an age waiver because I’m now 39, but am active and physically fit. Do you think I would be approved for NAVET to come back as a second class?

  28. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Matthew,

    You would require ECM approval; however, if you completed your Bachelor’s, I highly recommend that you attempt an officer program first (Intel, maybe?).

  29. Ana says:

    I got out as an E3 with just under a year of active duty service. I was an HM, which I’m sure you know is overmanned, but otherwise I qualify to reenlist. Is there absolutely no way I could return to my old rating? And would a recruiter be less willing to work with me considering I would have to rerate?

  30. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Ana,

    Why were you discharged during your first year? What is your RE-Code?

  31. Ana says:

    RE-3 for adjustment disorder but I’ve already been cleared by a doctor. I got stuck in a long c school that I ended up really hating, and when I finally dropped my c school I was told I’d be waiting on orders for months because it was towards the end of the fiscal year. I got frustrated and chose to get out instead of waiting and I regret it

  32. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Ana,

    Once a minimum of two years has passed from the date of completion of any and all treatment, you can submit your medical records for review — if a medical waiver is recommended, the a medical and RE-code waiver may be possible. I have no idea what Navy Occupational Specialties may be available for you (HM is no longer HM, it is now NOS G000).

  33. grant says:

    Good evening Master Chief,
    I served just under 8 yrs as an AT2 and have been out for a year now. I would love nothing more than to serve my country once more. My recruiter says the NAVET program does not exist and wants to send me reserves. Can you help me to understand if she is correct and what options I have as far as getting back active. Also with the upcoming change in commander in chief, has history seen more jobs open up and could AT possibly become available once again. Thanks for any help.
    V/R
    Grant

  34. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Grant,

    The NAVET program does exist, and isn’t going anywhere; however, that does not mean there are billets available. Most districts have a specific prior service recruiter assigned to help process NAVETs and OSVETs.

    I am assuming you have an RE-R1 or RE-1 RE-Code.

    You may have to ultimately change ratings if the manning level of AT just won’t allow for you to enter it — I do not have access to C-Way (CREO for active duty is now C-Way).

  35. grant says:

    NCCM,

    Thank you for your quick reply. I do have a RE-1 re-entry code and I understand the possibility of having to change rates. I was curious if billets for Navet pop up year round or just Sep-Oct. My recruiter has no idea about Navet and she says she is the only recruiter around that deals with prior service.. She is very complacent and I feel my future is in jeopardy because of the attitude she carries towards me especially when I question her. I only say this because I would hate to go reserve and all of a sudden Navet billets pop while Im stuck in a reserve contract. Is there someone else I could talk to and could I apply in a different district?
    V/R
    Grant

  36. Channing says:

    Good evening,

    I was a CS3 prior to getting out. Re-code 1. I have completed my physical but have to go in for an inspect. I have a question about the ASVAB. MY recruiter is waiting to find out if I have to retake the ASVAB. SO he said best case scenario he can get me back in as a CS. He and I found in the instruction that say I wouldn’t have to retake it If I came I as my previous rate. I also found one something that stated if I was line eligible for another rate I wouldn’t have to retake it.

    My recruiter isn’t sure if I move to another rate I will need to retake it. He is calling MEPS next week to verify. I’m not sure I understand why I would have to if I qualify for a critically undermanned position with my current score. Navy.mil bupers is only for active components so I am unable to see what CREO group my rate is estimated for 2017. I would prefer not to retake the ASVAB as I have been out of school for a long time and feel I may do worse the second go around.

  37. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Channing,

    The Navy active duty does not do CREO anymore; they use the C-Way system — those numbers are not available to the public. If a rating is open that you are line score eligible for and is also open, then you would be able to proceed. If you feel you would have problems with the ASVAB (passing it if you have to retake it), then the OAR required for Supply Officer would kick your butt — it is a much more difficult exam.

  38. Channing says:

    I already took the officer exam and passed I just wasn’t sure I wanted to proceed as an officer. I took it twice but I passed the second go. I just love what I do as an enlisted. Or what I did rather.

  39. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Channing,

    I wish I could provide some insight about CS’ manning levels; I don’t have access to C-Way. Once they moved away from CREO and put the C-Way info behind the firewall, it became much more difficult to guess.

    For the ASVAB, if you did well on the OAR, you should have no problem with the ASVAB if you do have to retake it.

    I do hope things work out and that you have a happy and prosperous New Year!

  40. Channing says:

    Happy New Year!
    Just wanted to say I did end up having to retake ASVAB due to the manning possibility of CS rating and I did pretty well. Thank you for your responses and I am glad I followed through.

  41. YankeeSamurai says:

    Good evening,

    I am a 36-year-old prior service Marine and soldier. I served in the USMC from 1999 to 2003 (active), got out and then enlisted into the Army National Guard for a time. To make my case as clear as possible, please reference the following list of bullets about me:

    1. My last ETS from the Army Guard was August of 2015.
    2. I am a DLI-trained Japanese linguist (DLPT 2+/3; DLAB 108) and DINFOS-qualified public affairs specialist (print)
    3. I am a fresh college graduate who earned a 3.8 GPA in three majors.
    4. I retook the ASVAB two to three weeks upon my graduation from college, scoring an AFQT of 95/99.
    5. All of my discharges were honorable ones, rated RE-1A or the National Guard equivalent.
    6. All of my service time combined, I have approximately 5.5 years of creditable active duty time recorded.
    7. I passed my MEPS physical with flying colors and am free of physical/mental problems.
    8. The only offense I have on my record is one speeding ticket.
    9. I hold a TS/SCI clearance (good for approx. three more years).

    I am presently trying my hardest to enlist within the U.S. Navy in order to serve our country as a CAREER sailor (I am receptive to any rate, but am desirous of becoming a CTI or CTR.).

    Is it still possible, is there any conceivable way, that I can still enlist into the active duty Navy and build the Navy career of my dreams, sir? I just received a call from my recruiter tonight, and he conveyed to me that someone at MEPS had told him that my break in service is too great. Is there ANY way that I can, based on the aforementioned data about myself that I have provided you above, still enlist into the world’s greatest navy, the U.S. Navy, sir? Any assistance that you could provide me would be inexpressibly appreciated. Joining the active duty Navy is my dream, and I don’t want to give it up until I know that there is absolutely no way that I can make it into a reality, sir.

    Thank you most kindly, sir.

    Respectfully,

    Tennessee volunteer and aspiring future U.S. Sailor

  42. NCCM(Ret) says:

    YankeeSamurai,

    If you have a four year degree from an accredited university, you are talking to the wrong recruiter — you should be talking to an officer recruiter about Intel opportunities.

  43. YankeeSamurai says:

    NCCM,

    Thank you for your response, sir. In fact, I am pursuing both avenues concurrently. Unfortunately, despite the fact that my officer recruiter conveyed to me that I had a very strong, competitive package, so strong, in fact, that he would be surprised if I wasn’t picked up on my first board attempt (He intimated to me that he has successfully put several candidates into intel in past years with stats less competitive than mine.)I failed to be picked up on the December IWC Board. It was a crushing and highly demoralizing experience. My OR stated to me that most of the selectees on this past board (15, total) seemed to have primarily hailed from the New England NRD, so there might have been a “regional quota” at work, etc.

    All that said, my wife and I have been exercising a lot of energy, etc., in trying to start our lives in the Navy as a Navy family (I started my process June of last year.), and this upcoming board attempt, the March IWC Board, will be the last time that I will be able to pursue my Navy officer ambitions.

    In the end, be it as an officer or be it as an enlisted sailor, I know that the Navy would make for a fantastic, fulfilling career for me, and provide a colorful, positive lifestyle to my family. I enjoy more than anything serving in uniform, and I decided during my sophomore year in college that the Navy was where I wanted to make my career, to drop anchor. That said, unless I am successfully selected on the next board or enabled to join the proud ranks of the enlisted Navy, I fear that I will never be able to realize my most closely-held dream. . . . I worked hard in college to be as competitive as possible, and my wife and I have put our utmost into this application process on both sides of the house, but it has finally caused a strain, as it has proven to be a completely uncertain and disappointing hitherto; please, is there any advice that we can ask of you? Unfortunately, it is all going to come down to this March IWC Board, and my current enlistment packet, the latter or which, unless you know of some way that I might be able to still enter the ranks as a Sailor, appears to be a dead end for me.

    Thank you most kindly for your support and advice, sir. This may be the end of the road for me, as far as my Navy dreams are concerned, and it’s a shame, too, for I know that I would bring a tremendous measure of value to her ranks, in my own humble way. . . . I would appreciate every day that I had in our Navy’s uniform and I would take care of my Sailors whilst executing my work with an utter dedication to excellence.

    Respectfully,

    Tennessee volunteer and U.S. Sailor aspirant (Tennessee NRD)

  44. NCCM(Ret) says:

    YankeeSamurai,

    Your only opportunity will be with officer programs. Other Service Veterans (OSVETs) discharged in paygrades E1 through E3 cannot have more than five years broken service, and those discharged in paygrades E4 through E6 cannot have more than six years broken service. You were discharged from active duty over 13 years ago.

    Not sure why your recruiter is indicating that you only get one more shot at the apple. If not accepted during the next board, you can keep applying as long as you are otherwise competitive. Incidentally, the board that makes selections does not care what part of the country you may be from — they are picking the absolute best candidates from the packages presented. They can care less about “regional quotas”.

    My oldest son was selected for Intel, and, as a matter of fact, his package was submitted through NRD Nashville. He was prior Navy (nuclear program). He has his law degree from Penn State and is a member of the Tennessee and Washington D.C. bar. The program is very competitive.

  45. Ryan says:

    I was in active duty navy for 5yrs and 8mo got out honorably in 2008. I’m looking to come back in active duty and re-entry code is RE1 but I will have to come back in as a E3 so I’m passed higher tenure, is there a chance that I could still join back into navy? I got out as a PR3 and pretty sure that the PR rate is closed so I’m hoping to come in as a MA/MP because I have 1yr experience as a corrections officer at a prison and that rate is open, would a waiver help my chances on getting that rate as well? What are my options because I would like to be back in navy, thanks!

  46. Zach says:

    NCCM,

    I am currently an IC2 with 5 years and 4 months of active duty service, i joined the navy to be a Navy Diver, its all i wanted to do. my recruiter told me that it would be much easier for me to convert to diver once I was in boot camp. Now we all know this is a big fat lie. after i got to my ship i informed my chain of command that i wanted to cross rate and go to dive school and they told me to work hard as an IC and in 2 years they would help me. Finally 2 years later I went to NCC on my ship with the support of my COC and he pulled up an instruction and looked at the manning on NPC and told me there is no way that the navy will approve me to get out of the IC rate, and divers are not excepting my year group. I was very disappointed to say the least. Then 2.5 years later i tried again and my CMC was on my side and even called one of his buddies who was an ECM, this time it was for crossrate to GSE. All to no avail and just more disappointment. So it has pushed me out of the navy. My EAOS is MAY and i go on terminal in MAR. The bummer is i LOVE the navy, i just hate being an IC, My question is can i use my time out of the navy to come back in on a spec ops contract, i am honestly willing to restart my time completely and go back to E-1. Thats how bad i want it. i just need to know if there is any hope for me, or if i should just wash my hands with navy for good. btw i have been an EP sailor with no NJPs and im a damn good IC, i just dont like it, I need a challenge. I looked on NPCs website and EOD for my YG is very undermanned, maybe this could help. Thank you.

  47. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Zach,

    NAVET seats are always limited, and to get back in, you would need the same permission from the current ECMs if you were to cross rate. DO NOT get out of the Navy with the belief you can easily get back in.

    I was an ET originally. Thing about that rating is that once you learn trons, stuff gets pretty easy — not as challenging after a while. I assume you are coming up for shore duty — do a damn shore tour. If I may suggest, if want a challenge, then do recruiting duty — who knows, you may then convert to the Career Recruiting Force like I did. One thing about working with people, no two are the same — never a dull moment.

  48. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Ryan,

    You have two hurdles I don’t think you would be able to jump — first, you have than four years of prior service Navy service and was discharged as an E-4; and second, you have been out of the Navy for well over five years. As far as PRISE III opportunities based on your post Navy work experience; I highly doubt the ECM would consider 1 year to be enough to guarantee advancement to E-5 after school.

  49. Ryan says:

    OK thanks for the response. So one year experience isn’t enough but since I’ve been out this long (since O8)and I will be a E-3 with almost 6yrs in(HYT)and most likely having to switch rates will I have a decent chance still coming active duty at the age of 33, 3 dependents, RE1 code and able to pass physicals? Thanks for your time!

  50. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Ryan,

    Sadly, I don’t think you have any chance, but have a recruiter go over your information to be sure.

  51. Channing says:

    If you have a day over four years they may not take you due to higher tenure. As per the instruction the recruiter may not work with you as far as active because you were an E4 at almost 6 years. At least that is what I was told. (Prior CS3 REENLISTING)

  52. Ryan says:

    OK thank you for the info!

  53. Zach says:

    NCCM,

    Thank you for the quick response, funny thing is i had orders in work to go NRD LA as a recruiter and i gave them up, i also gave my IC quota up so im pretty much at the point of no return. This is all due to the fact that i feel stuck and i will never be able to get out of being an IC, i mean we dont even have cool orders to choose from to get out of doing IC work besides recruiting and instructor which are both not something that sounds like anything i would like to do.

    I dont think my job challenges me enough and initially that is why i wanted to go recruiting but i am not meant to sit at a desk or do admin work (im not bashing people who do, its just not for me) i know it will be a challenge to get back in, i just wanted some insight from someone who could give me a straight answer. I am currently trying to become a Firefighter in my home town, but if there is any chance i could get back in the navy and they will put me where i am the best fit then i would do it no questions, im just not trying to get my hopes up due to the fact that i have in the past and got shit on. Im not trying to get sympathy or say woe is me. I just need to know if it is even possible and if it is what do i need to do. Thanks again.

    V/r,
    Zach

  54. Doug says:

    NCCM,

    I am an drilling reservist (IS) looking to go active duty. I just recently hit my six year mark of service and I was recently frocked to E-6. First question, if I am able to switch to active duty will I lose my rank because I am recently frocked and I am not getting paid for E-6? Also, my contract ends in March of next year. Would it be possible for me to wait until I’m closer to my contract ending and then re-enlist as active duty instead of reserves? I realize that it is a difficult process to make the switch from RC to AC, but I want to explore all avenues. Even if I have to cross-rate to an under-manned rating then I am willing to do that. Please advise.

    V/r,
    Doug

  55. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Doug,

    Have you always been a drilling Reservist, or did you complete an active duty enlistment before affiliating with the Reserve?

  56. Doug says:

    I’ve always been SELRES. But I have been on orders a couple times so I have a little over 2 years of active duty time. I just had a conversation with a couple recruiters and they said I should have a good chance but to go through my unit. I’m not sure how much truth there is to that but we’ll see. So should I just contact my career counselor and do it that way?

  57. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Doug,

    The question I am trying to get an answer to is concerning paygrade; I have sent the policy folks a message asking what the current rule is; ten years ago, you could only come back in based on the paygrade of your last DD-214 (paygrades earned while drilling would not transfer to active duty) — the manual is not clear on that subject, so that is why I asked them — I have not yet received an answer.

    Well, while typing this I received an answer, here is what I was told;

    They would apply via c-Way for a billet. It’s the ECM call. But if they come through us [recruiting command] it’s an ECM rate and paygrade determination. I recommend they go to their NC and apply via C-Way. Way easier no pun intended. Less paperwork and no MEPs.

    The conversation you had with the recruiters was spot on — go through your unit.

  58. Doug says:

    Thank you very much!

  59. Matthew says:

    NCCM,

    Here is one I bet you haven’t heard.
    ADSD: 15MAY2006
    EAOS: 15FEB2016
    RE CODE: RE-R1

    I got out of the Navy as a FROCKED E8 (ISCS) at 9 years 9 months and 1 day. I want to now affiliate to the Enlisted Reserves or go Intelligence Officer. E7 and above is not addressed in the prior service information as I am assuming this usually does not happen. Can I go immediately to the reserves and affiliate as I assume an E7 or still constrained by the open ratings issue?

    Thanks and looking forward to your advice.

    Matthew

  60. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Matthew,

    My NAVET article concerns only those trying to get back on active duty; for the Reserve, as long as there is a billet, you could affiliate at the same pay grade you were discharged with (on your DD-214) as long as you don’t have more than six years broken service.

    For both active and Reserve Intel Officer options, you do not have to be affiliated to apply. As a matter of fact, if you have certain Intelligence Specialist NECs, you’d be considered an “ideal” candidate. See your local Officer recruiter!

  61. Matthew says:

    I was doing some research on the DPEP and wanted to know if I would even qualify for reserves at all in with my particular situation? Just about 3 years ago I separated from the Navy due to HIGH YEAR TENURE. I served 8 years and was discharged with the rank of E-4. My RE-Code is RE-6. My rate is AO and I would like to join the RC and then switch over to AC. Is there a possible route that I can take to make this happen? I’ve been working for a little less than a year since I’ve been discharged but I’ve also been in school in between jobs that I’ve worked as well. Any info would be great!

  62. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Matthew,

    High year tenure applies to the Navy Reserve as well. For DPEP, you would need at least a couple of years in a supervisory role; the ECM for the rating you are applying would have to agree affiliate you as a second class. I recommend taking what you do have down for the recruiter to evaluate. Additionally, I don’t know what the other branches are doing concerning their Reserve — you may want to look in that direction if the Navy does not pan out.

  63. HM3 FMF says:

    Looking to find some more answers as far as reenlistment after being out for 7 years of discharge. Have been tying to look for answers anywhere I can even have a friend asking a Navy PS1 for a little help as well. As for the requirements I meet I believe all of them as I haven’t really been able to either work in the civilian equivalent of HM (FMF). I have nearly 6 years of prior experience and zero civilian. Have been going to college on and off for a different job, but family difficulties and a few other things have kind of been a hamper until recently. Now that everything has calmed down for a little bit now I’d like to seek reentry as I have code RE-1. What complications would I be looking at?

    Thank you for your time and also the research you’ve posted.

  64. NCCM(Ret) says:

    HM3 FMF,

    Having been discharged as an E-4 with more than four years of active duty, you are not eligible to reenlist due to high year tenure restrictions.

  65. Brandon B says:

    I am 26 and a navy veteran. I was in from 12/2009- 03/2011 and have e3g code on dd214; after i was honorably d/c as E4 i received a BS in Criminal justice minoring in computer science. I have been back and forth about going back active or officer over the past years . I spoke with an office recruiter a year ago and nothing ever came from it. After putting my packet together the recruiter simply stopped communicating with me at all. Just trying to see what my best options would be whether it be officer, enlisted, or reserves. Thank you in advance for any information or insight you may be able to give me.

  66. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Brandon B.,

    What was the issue that led to you being discharged with a RE-3G?

  67. Brandon B says:

    i had high blood pressure that i could no seem to get controlled; i was seen for it and on meds however have been off the medication now for over 3 years thanks to a strict diet and stress control. I have been medically cleared completely.

  68. Kevin says:

    NCCM,
    I’m 37 years old. Was frocked MC2 but left the Navy before getting paid as E5. So my DD214 says E4. I have both the A-school and VPD C-school. However, I got out in JAN 08 with 6 yrs and 4 months. So, from reading this article it looks like I would be at high year tenure. Is it possible for a waiver if I went in for any undermanned rate? Thanks for what you do.

  69. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Kevin,

    Unless the High Year Tenure rules change, you are not eligible for reenlistment. I do wish I had better news.

    I will ensure I update this article (and make a comment to it for notification) as soon as I see the instruction change.

  70. Kevin says:

    NCCM,
    Thanks for the info and I really think what you are doing on here is great. I’m sure I’m not alone in saying we appreciate it!

  71. Jesse says:

    NCCM

    Last night I got the re-enlisted bug. I got out in 2015 with 7 years of service as an ABF2. I currently getting some disability compensation. My question is the following, will I be denied to re enlist if I decide to take the step because of my disability compensation? I really don’t mind renouncing to it. I do miss the air in my face while flight quarters, and if so does the NAVET has any code, you know that everything has to be on paper and I don’t want to go to a recruiting office mention NAVET and they look at me like I’m crazy or something.

  72. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Jesse,

    Were you discharged with an RE-1 reenlistment code? What is the medical issue that you are drawing disability for? Because you have been out of the Navy as long as you have, you no longer are held to the retention medical standards; you are now, medically, held to the same standard as a new recruit. Those standards are much more strict. Yes, you would need to stop your disability, but it would be because you no longer are considered disabled. Don’t do it until you know for sure you are eligible to reenlist.

    It all depends on what type of RE code, what the medical issue is, and whether you qualify for ratings that may be available (C-way).

  73. Josh says:

    NCCM,
    I am a Navy Veteran honorably discharged in 2012 for a broken foot which I have no problem with now. I was discharged as an E-3 and with just under 2 yrs of service. I do draw disability, but I am willing to be re evaluated and have this dropped if given the opportunity to get back in. I was a PS , but would be willing to take any rate that the Navy is in need of. My RE code is 3P. I hope that if re evaluated and disability dropped that I could get a waiver for this. Is there any possibility of me getting back in? I have spoke with a few recruiters on the phone but they keep trying to get me to enter reserves. Any information would be great. I have looked up the NAVET program but recruiters tell me that it is not available. Do I need to just talk to the right recruiter, because I seem to get different information from various people and recruiters.
    R,
    Josh

  74. NCCM(Ret) says:

    Josh,

    You cannot go active duty because NAVETs discharged in paygrade E3 or below must have one year or less of prior service and no more than six years broken service. You have more than one year of active service, so you are not eligible.

  75. sean says:

    NCCM,
    I received an honorable discharge after serving a national call to service contract. I left the reserve unit as a CTT3. I served 2 years active and 2 active reserve. Would i qualify to rejoin the reserve force and would I have an option to pick a new rate(not much to do as a CTT in the reserve units near me)?.

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