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Chapter 61 Military Retired and Disability Pay

Concurrent Receipt in 2012?

Updated: August 17, 2014

Concurrent Receipt is not dead! UPDATE: On January 18, 2011, Congressman Gus Bilirakis (FL-R), introduced H.R.303, the “Retired Pay Restoration Act”, to amend Title 10, United States Code, to permit additional retired members of the Armed Forces who have a service-connected disability to receive both disability compensation from the Department of Veterans Affairs for their disability and either retired pay by reason of their years of military service or Combat-Related Special Compensation and to eliminate the phase-in period under current law with respect to such concurrent receipt. If adopted, the combined benefit would be effective January 1, 2012. For full information about the bill and the the current text – go here. [Once again, it stalled]

Last year, in his budget, President Obama proposed “to expand concurrent receipt of military retired pay and Veterans Disability Compensation to all retirees receiving disability retired pay.” We tracked the progress of the Retired Pay Restoration Act of 2009 closely, and we were disappointed when we found the bill failed, even with overwhelming support, because, from what it boiled down too, the bill did not meet the “PAYGO” rules.

This year, a similar proposal is in the 2011 budget – but, unlike last year, the verbiage actually states, “The 2011 Budget also includes the additional funding required to expand this program to include military members retired under the disability rules codified in Chapter 61 of Title 10 of the United States Code.”, “Legislative proposal, not subject to PAYGO.”

Are all the bases covered this time?

Excerpt from the 2011 budget proposal;

The 2011 payment to the Military Retirement Fund includes funds for the amortization of the unfunded liability for all retirement benefits earned by military personnel for service prior to 1985. The amortization schedule for the unfunded liability is determined by the Department of Defense Retirement Board of Actuaries. Included in the unfunded liability are the consolidated requirements of the military departments to cover retired officers and enlisted personnel of the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force; retainer pay of enlisted personnel of the Fleet Reserve of the Navy and Marine Corps; and survivors’ benefits.
The 2004 National Defense Authorization Act (P.L. 108–136) created additional benefits for certain retirees who receive disability compensation from the Department of Veterans Affairs and moved the responsibility for payments under the Combat Related Special Compensation program to the Military Retirement Fund.Any additional funding requirements for retirees with service prior to 1985 will be included in this payment. The 2011 Budget also includes the additional funding required to expand this program to include military members retired under the disability rules codified in Chapter 61 of Title 10 of the United States Code.

(Legislative proposal, not subject to PAYGO)
Program and Financing (in millions of dollars)

Download the rest of the document in PDF format (HERE)

An update published in the Army Times:

Plan would boost pay for Chapter 61 retirees

By Rick Maze – Staff writer
Posted : Friday May 21, 2010 14:55:24 EDT

House Democratic leaders unveiled a plan late Thursday to provide a temporary increase in retired pay for about 30,000 people whose military careers were cut short by severe service-connected disabilities.

For 22 months — from Jan. 1, 2011, until Sept. 30, 2012 — people with fewer than 20 years of service who are receiving military disability retired pay for service-connected disabilities rated by the Veterans Affairs Department at 100 percent would be allowed to receive full veterans’ disability and military retired pay.

Also eligible would be people who are formally rated as 90 percent disabled but are considered fully disabled because their injuries prevent them from holding a job.

For nine months — from Jan. 1, 2012, until Sept. 30, 2012 — the right to receive full veterans disability compensation and military disability retired pay would be extended to those with fewer than 20 years of service who have disabilities rated at 70 percent or greater.

On Oct. 1, 2012, payments would cease to these so-called Chapter 61 retirees, named for the section of law that covers military disability retirement.

Chapter 61 retirees with more than 20 years of service who are covered by existing law regarding concurrent receipt of military and benefits would not be affected by the change.

How much additional money would be received would depend on several factors, including an individual’s rank and years of service when medically retired and how much the Veterans Affairs Department is paying that person in disability, said Michael Hayden of the Military Officers Association of America.

For example, a medically retired E-7 with 16 years of service with a disability rated at 100 percent would see about $1,500 more a month. A 100 percent disabled O-4 with 16 years of service who is receiving disability retired pay would see about $2,700 more, Hayden said.

The additional payments would be provided through Concurrent Retirement and Disability Payments, one of the Pentagon’s two concurrent receipt programs. CRDP is already provided to many other disabled retirees but is not available to Chapter 61 military disability retirees with fewer than 20 years of service.

About 12,000 of the military disability retirees would be covered by the Jan. 1, 2011, change and another 20,000 by the Jan. 1, 2012 change.

The temporary benefits are included in HR 4213, the American Jobs and Closing Tax Loopholes Act of 2010, which Congress will try to pass before its Memorial Day recess. Concurrent receipt of retiree and veterans benefits is one of several “sweeteners” added to the bill in an effort to get enough votes for passage, but it is still unclear if there will be enough support.

One of the big issues facing the measure is that it contains more than $100 billion in spending, offset by only about $44 billion in government cost reductions through changes in tax law. That makes a vote for the bill difficult for lawmakers opposed to deficit spending.

Total cost of the Chapter 61 concurrent receipt provisions are estimated at $686 million.

The decision to add military disability retirement benefits to the tax extender bill comes after the House Armed Services Committee was unable to include an Obama administration request to help Chapter 61 retirees in the $760 billion defense authorization bill that the committee passed on Wednesday because of budget limitations.

The White House proposal, submitted to Congress in February, called for a permanent change in law that would have completely phased out over five years the offset in military retired pay required of those who also receive veterans’ disability pay. In addition to Chapter 61 retirees, other retirees with service-connected disabilities that are low-rated and not considered the result of combat or combat-related training also are still subject to the offset.

Rick Jones of the National Association for Uniformed Services said the proposal for temporary benefits falls far short of that the Obama administration promised, but added, “We welcome forward movement.”

Still, he said, some severely disabled veterans who will be helped by temporary benefits “are not going to feel very comfortable about the situation because of the expiration date on the provision,” Jones said.

Jones said he would also like the concurrent receipt provisions to be attached to a less controversial bill.

“It is, of course, progress, and incremental progress is what we are looking for,” said MOAA’s Hayden.

82 Responses to “Concurrent Receipt in 2012?”

  1. KH says:

    While it is good to see Chapter 61 retirees getting concurrent receipt, the proposal is largely bogus.

    The proposal by the Obama administration, largely ignores the issue of concurrent receipt.

    Here the administration is proposing concurrent receipt for Chapter 61 retirees, and saying that when the year 2015 comes all Chapter 61 retirees will get their “retirement pay”, and their “disability pay”.
    Hot digity dog! Great headlines in the news for ignoring the true essense of the issue of concurrent receipt.

    Last year the Obama administration dropped their original proposal to include “all” veterans left out of concurrent receipt. They did this by stating a bogus amount of over 40 billion dollars to cover all categories of veterans who are denied concurrent receipt. The actual cost to cover “all” veterans in every category is closer to the 20 billion dollar amount over a ten year period. The administration used the reasoning that they would cover the Chapter 61 retiree, because the cost to cover all retired disabled veterans was to great. That merits another hot digity dog!

    For the real truth to be known, there are currently over 450,000 retired disabled veterans. under 50% disabled, who each month have their disability payment from the VA, deducted dollar for dollar, related to the percentage of disability from their retirement pay.
    This is the group that was orginally left out of the concurrent receipt legislation in 2004, when the Chapter 61 folks were not even in consideration.

    The Veterans Disability commission recommended in their recommendations to the President and Congress, that concurrent receipt be enacted for the remaining veterans who do not receive the benefit. Their top priority was the retired disabled veteran who has served twenty or more years, having their disability deducted from their retirement pay on a monthly basis. The second priority was concurrent receipt for Chapter 61 retirees.

    The current administration has twisted the logic of the commission, and placed Chapter 61 retirees before veterans who have served twenty or more years. It is good for the Chapter 61 veteran, but it is simply used as a ruse to ignore the validity of the true issue of concurrent receipt.

    A real news flash needs to be sent to the new administration. Obama made a promise to support concurrent receipt, and end the veterans disablity tax, for all retired disabled veterans. He made this promise in the AMVETS magazine. during an interview for the winter issue in 2009.

    The president and his administration should be congratulated for their support of the issue of concurrent receipt, but their proposal does not go far enough to end the injustice of this issue.

    A last point of interest would be the Presidents statement that he supports the military family, and veterans. He states: “Now they will be receiving both their military retirement, and their disabilty payment”. A very interesting subtitle to this would be: “Over 450,000 retired disabled veterans, who are under 50% disabled, have each served at least twenty years in the mility, HAVE NEVER RECEIVED THEIR FULL RETIREMENT, as their disability is deducted from their retirement pay on a monthly basis.

    What about the retired disabled veteran, under 50% disabled, who has served over twenty years, who is paying for his own disability, Mr. President?

  2. SSG RET Rusty says:

    Right on man we the forgotten who did so much and gave up 20+ years of our lives to be crap on and forgotten till next election then more promises with no intention of following through hope they see the light some day but I’ll probley be dead by then and isn’t that what they are counting on? just so tired of getting my hopes up to have them say No once again good night and good luck Oh if anyone wants to do a walk on washington I’m in LOL never quit! never give in ! UH RAH

  3. Bill Starcher says:

    I have no doubt that someone will stop disabled veterans from getting there retired pay. To become a 100% disabled while serving the country is no reason to actually give us veterans an additional amount of compensation even though the military destroyed our reason for living. Congress does not sacrifice a penny for those protecting the freedoms of people in this country while at the same time promoting expensive state programs for their own people. I think dogs get better treatment than disabled veterans. When will someone count the votes of disabled veterans and credit what we have to say about where the country is going? Oh, yah, we are just disposed of trash and have no voice. Bill, USN-retired

  4. KH says:

    SUPPORT HR 333 – the Disabled Veterans Tax Termination Act
    2/3 of Disabled Veterans Remain Excluded From Concurrent Receipt

    Please send the following editable message to your Representative –

    As you are aware, while included in the President’s Budget for 2010, the full restoration of concurrent receipt was deleted from the 2010 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), recently signed into law.

    Again, I strongly urge you to cosponsor HR 333, the Disabled Veterans Tax Termination Act, and strive to have this legislation included in the 2011 NDAA or other appropriate legislation.

    HR 333 would correct several wrongs enacted with the original concurrent receipt legislation in 2004.

    First, HR 333 would enable those 450,000 retired members of the Armed Forces with disability ratings less than 50% to draw both their VA disability and their military retirement pay under CRDP (Concurrent Retirement Disability Pay, 10 US Code Section 1414). If the disability was combat-related, these retirees were enfranchised for CRSC (Combat Related Special Compensation, 10 USC Section 1413a) with the 2008 NDAA.

    Second, HR 333 would enable those 200,000 members of the Armed Forces retired for medical disability with less than 20 years service under 10 US Code, Chapter 61, to draw both their VA disability and their military retirement pay under CRDP. If the disability were combat-related, these retirees were enfranchised for CRSC with the 2008 NDAA.

    Third, HR 333 would eliminate the 10-year phase-in of CRDP which is currently in the 6th year and is 88% restored. In 2010, restoration will be 95% complete. Distributing the remaining 5% over the next 4 years is not cost effective, because the cost of processing the payments exceeds the cost of the CRDP payments. In the last year of the phase-in, the average increment will be less than $1 per month.

    Fourth, HR 333 would cause the Department of Defense (DoD) to compute CRSC pay for Chapter 61 retirees as originally intended Congress. Basically, HR 333 would eliminate the “donut hole” into which some combat related retirees fall which awards them ZERO compensation.

    Please actively support HR 333 and urge your colleagues to do the same.

  5. KH says:

    Tom Philpott is a real professional when it comes to reporting.
    He is even willing to take the fall for his sources on Capitol Hill.
    Tom’s correction to his article:
    CORRECTION: Two weeks ago, writing about the 2011 defense budget request, I said President Obama again proposes a limited expansion of “concurrent receipt” for disabled retirees. He would not be asking to restore retired pay offsets for remaining career retirees, those with VA disability ratings of 40 percent or less, which would cost $45 billion over 10 years. A reader, Kenneth Hanft, directed my attention to a memo from the Congressional Budget Office to the House Budget Committee last June.
    CBO said the 10-year cost to lift the ban on concurrent receipt for all career retirees would be $23.8 billion. I defer to that far lower figure and apologize for the error. – Tom Philpott
    Example of one of his previous quotes on the subject:
    “Regular retirees with VA ratings of 40 percent or lower still see retired pay offset by VA disability compensation.
    Why has Obama targeted Chapter 61 retirees for concurrent receipt? Sources on Capitol Hill said the White House’s Office of Management and Budget developed the idea as an affordable compromise. It would cost $5.4 billion over 10 years versus $45 billion if Obama fulfilled a campaign pledge to extend concurrent receipt to all disabled military retirees.”
    This administration has purposefully manipulated the figures to 45 billion, in an attempt to sustain public opinion, to the extent that the cost burden would be too high to grant concurrent receipt to all disabled veterans.
    For Tom Philpott to not hold this administration to account for its purposeful manipulation of the figures of cost for concurrent receipt, to lower the cost and cover chapter 61 retirees only, stating that their justification for this measure is because of a high cost of 45 billion to under 50% disabled, while attempting to give the appearance of keeping a campaign promise is a shame.
    For Tom Philpott to apologize for an error made intentionally by the current administration, shows that he is a true professional.
    It is too bad that the administration in Washington is not that professional.

  6. DK says:

    To Rusty and KH (since you are two different people who happen to read and post comments within minutes of each other on this site, just like last year) – please stop with the attempts at division within the veterans’ ranks. Citing “priorities” and pointing out things like “in 2004, Ch. 61 veterans “weren’t even considered…” because the effort should be on including all veterans and not picking and choosing which is what you accuse the administration of, and then go on to do the same thing by separating the 20+ year retired vets with less than 50% disabilities from the Ch 61s, some of whom have 100% disabilities and receive zero. It hurts the cause, in my view.

    Also, numbers are fun. If you argue that the $40 million is a “made up” figure, then please don’t use the $23 million figure either. It excludes the cost of the Ch. 61 payments, which are estimated to be $5 billion over “FIVE” years. That seems to mean that we can double it (plus inflation) for the next five years, which means it is probably close to $15 Billion for “TEN” years. Add that to $23 Billion, and yes, you get a total of near $40 Billion.

    But I digress. By all means, support HR 333, but don’t do so by continually denigrating the Ch 61 fix. You know better, and conquer and divide usually means no one wins.

  7. DK says:

    I should have added that we don’t know what was “considered” in 2004 — only those attending each and ever deliberation know what was “considered”…

    Also, I wrote “millions” when I should have written “billions” in various places in the previous post.

    Finally, thanks to the blog for tackling this issue again and providing what turned out last year to be an indispensable site for information and updates on what turned out to be a very disappointing outcome (and let’s not forget why the provision ultimately failed… had it passed, this year the focus would be on disabled retirees with less than 50% disabilities… that’s how it works. See 2004 if this doesn’t make sense to you)…

  8. KH says:

    DK good points.

    Here is an article from the AUSA web site.

    Perhaps this is the stance that should be supported by all, in the effort for concurrent receipt for everyone.


    AUSA has worked tirelessly to eliminate the deduction of VA disability compensation from earned military retired pay for all disabled retirees. Therefore, we were elated when the Obama Administration included a provision that would expand concurrent receipt to Chapter 61 retirees (those medically retired for service-related conditions before they could complete 20 or more years of service) in his budget request for fiscal 2010. While we want full concurrent receipt, we figured any progress made towards our goal was a win and great news for disabled retirees.

    We were even more encouraged when the House Armed Services Committee managed to find funding for the first year of the expansion and included it in the House version of the 2010 defense authorization bill.

    Reality set in when the Senate unveiled its version of the defense authorization bill and the provision was left out. Ultimately, the House provision was dropped in conference because some in the Senate objected to the specific funding sources identified by the House, and leaders could not find other offsets to comply with Senate budget-scoring rules

    Now, the Obama Administration has once again included a provision in its fiscal 2011 budget request that would provide full concurrent receipt of disability and military retired pay to eligible veterans by Jan. 1, 2015.

    Not so fast according to House Armed Services Committee Chairman Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo. While he has shown that he is a supporter of concurrent receipt, Skelton said the Obama initiative does not satisfy the House’s strict budgeting rules. He said the problem is that the administration has not identified specific offsets — either cuts in existing programs or revenue increases — to pay for the new benefits for disabled retirees.

    “This committee has a deep commitment to this issue and our veterans, but we simply cannot enact it unless the administration identifies and advocates for specific offsets,” Skelton said at a recent hearing on the 2011 defense request.

    The Administration’s budget request adds $408 million to the military retirement trust fund in 2011 specifically to cover the first phase of a five-year plan to expand concurrent receipt to service members medically retired with fewer than 20 years of service who have disability ratings of 90 percent or greater.

    But Rep. Skelton said the $408 million increase in the trust fund doesn’t meet congressional “pay-as-you-go” rules, which require a specific offset to pay for a specific increase. Without an offset, he said the committee is unable to pass concurrent receipt legislation.

    Rep. Jim Marshall, D-Ga., who is also a longtime sponsor of concurrent receipt legislation, said he is not ready to give up. Rep. Marshall wants the committee to “work closely” with the House Ways and Means Committee, which is responsible for tax policy, to find money for concurrent receipt.

    “It seems to me we ought to be able to find $5.1 billion over a 10-year period of time, as large as our mandatory spending is. We ought to be able to do that and get this done once and for all,” Rep. Marshall said.

    We agree and will continue to fight STRONGLY for full concurrent receipt not only for Chapter 61 retirees, but for all disabled retirees.

  9. Widow-RW says:

    Does either of these bills include backpay for the surviving widows (w/kids<18) of deceased Ret. DAVs that had their retirement pay and VA svc-connected disability pay offset from time of discharge from military-1987, to his death-1998? Or only for retirees still living?

  10. dK says:


    The next step to watch is the Congressional Budget Resolution, which I believe must be passed by April 15. This sets guidelines for the committees.
    I am NO expert, but I think hopes for the retro-active pay you ask about are nil in this environment. The best (most realistic, anyway) hope is that the offset is eliminated fully, but even that will be a long-shot. As for someone who is now deceased, the odds are even longer. This is just my 2 cents worth. There’s always hope.

  11. dK says:

    Related to my last comment, the following was part of MOAA’s weekly newsletter dated April 9, 2010:
    Coalition Seeks Discharge Petition Signers

    The Military Coalition (TMC) sent a letter this week to all the cosponsors of H.R. 775, Rep. Solomon Ortiz’s (D-TX) bill to end deduction of VA survivor benefits from Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP) annuities, asking them to sign a discharge petition to bring the legislation up for a vote by the House.

    A total of 321 Representatives (74% of the House) have formally expressed their support for this bill, but it continues to languish without action.

    In mid-March Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC) took the initiative to introduce a discharge petition that would force the bill to the House floor for a vote if a majority of House members sign the petition.

    To date, only four Representatives have signed it.

    We understand that a budget-minded Congress has to set fiscal priorities. We also understand that sometimes legislators must be asked to put their money where their mouth is.

    As we rack up the nation’s budget priorities, doing the right thing by survivors whose military sponsors’ deaths were caused by their service simply mustn’t keep falling short of the approved list.

    Please urge your U.S. Representative to sign the petition and make this long-overdue fix.

  12. NCCM(ret) says:

    DK, I cannot thank you enough for the information you continue to provide – BZ!

  13. DC Williams says:

    I am a Chapter 61 retiree…I put in fifteen plus years of service before I was 100% disabled in the line of duty while on active service. Obviously after fifteen years of service I was making it a career but to no fault of my own, my career was ended early. Being 100% disabled is something I would not wish on anyone. Having one leg, the use of one arm and wearing a diaper and a catheter is something that I have to deal with everyday. I lost my career, my family and any semblence of a life. Additionally, I lost my retirement pay because it is offset with my VA disability because I did not complete my twenty years. Somthing that once again was of no fault of my own yet I am being financially punished for it. I wish I had the opportunity to put in twenty years and only have a 40% disability. For those in this situation you should feel blessed….you could have it worse. Do not denegrade chapter 61 retirees plight to receive concurrent pay just because it does not pertain to your situation. Fight for what you believe in but do not do it at the expense of fellow service members. Semper Fi!!!!

  14. dK says:

    DC Williams:
    All good points.
    Thank you for your service and for your example.

  15. ramon says:

    I served 12 years regular army from 1975- 1987, 3 year in the National guard, I did not serve in any conflict, do to a Spinal cord tumor illness, was force to leave, I am currently on a wheel chair, use a catheter and have to use suppository in order to have valve movement, and so on, so on I have no complain, but would like my life more “at ease” I lost one of my brother in Viet Nam, my other brother receives 10 percent for Agent Orange and has to pay for his medication. no complain 303

  16. ken simpson says:

    I am also a chapter 61 retiree and feel we have been short changed for many years. I find it hard to believe that the congressmen and senators (especially the ones who are veterans) cannot find the necessary funds. The funds required are minimal compared to the additional funds added to bills to cover special projects and special interests for some of the (congressman and senators) states. We have served our country well and suffer in pain every day. The veterans in the statements above and myself deserve your support. If the President says we deserve this benefit – why can’t the (ways and means) tax people support him. I hope all of you can work together and find a way to make this happen. I thank you for your help in advance. God Bless.
    Ken Simpson (Disabled Vietnam Veteran – Chapter 61 Retiree)

  17. RICKY POSEY says:


  18. John says:

    Read it again folks,, Im 100 percent unemployable, what ever that means but only 70 percent rating,,,
    now I have cancer, I’ll never see any of this, its a bunch of BS
    I wrote about this before, its all smoke and mirrors from Congress to stay in power, every day different story while at the same time voting themselves a fat pay raise and retirement
    Congress, Im poor, but Ive always been poor.
    So Congress,, KEEP YOUR MONEY, bunch of lying traitors.
    I don’t need it anymore

  19. Herman says:

    Those of us who are retired and drawing disability under 50% will, in all likelyhood, be considered 2nd class citizens for many years to come. Any big companies out there make their retired pay their own disability?

  20. John says:

    Prez Obama signed the 4.8 billion dollar childern School lunch program, but just can’t find Money for Veterans

  21. John says:

    Retirees need to stop talking about Chap 61 and twenty year retirees.That’s what they want us to do fight among ourselves, what we need to do is raise hell with Congress till they amend Title 10, stay on then like white on rice especially at election time.It took me over 17 years to get over 50% i retired in 1991 with 20 years.I believe that VA goes out of their way to keep military retirees under 50% because they have been directed to do so by congress.Chap 61 retirees are being miss-led, even if they change the law to include Chap 61 what they are not telling you is it still will not include those rated under 50% so you will continue to get the SHAFT just over 20 year retirees rated under 50%.We need to band together and raise hell with Congress letters news media etc: maybe then they will do something.We are the only ex federal employees that pay for our VA disability compensation out of our earned retirement pay, a national disgrace.We need to shame the Members of Congress in public when they have their town- hall meetings and ask questions about concurrent receipt.

  22. ZEEMADMAN says:

    Yes John XX, Prez Obama also signed to give Pakistan 1.5 Billion U.S. Dollars with a B every year for the next 7 years. That’s 10.5 Billion. And We, who were Promised, Earned and Deserve this money are still left without! I say that’s Wrong. Way Wrong.

  23. Thom says:

    I am a medically retired veteran with less than 20 years of service when I was medically retired they never told me how I got my condition. But when I applied for the Concurrent benefits they said that I did not meet the qualifications because there is nothing showing what caused my condition. Even though I am a 100% thru the VA they said that I do not meet the qualifications. I am not able to drive myself so when I have appointment my husband has to take me. Can someone tell me how they figure that this is fair. My chanes for concurrent payment is looking pretty bleek.

  24. Fred says:

    Concurrent Receipt, SBP, TRICARE Alert

    The Senate is expected to begin consideration of the FY2011 Defense Authorization Bill next week. MOAA is working with several Senate champions to offer amendments on concurrent receipt (Sen. Reid), the SBP/DIC offset (Sen. Bill Nelson), retroactive early Guard/Reserve retirement (Sens. Kerry & Chambliss), and TRICARE fees (Sen. Lautenberg), among others.

    Please send your senators a MOAA-suggested message urging them to approve these vital amendments when the authorization bill comes up for action.

  25. JCroce says:

    John, who posted on 04Aug10, I want the government to do the right thing for chapter 61 vets, for all retired vets, however, I think begrudging needy children their school lunch money is just sad, selfish, and greedy. I’m a chapter 61 vet, 100 percent disability, and I’d rather not get that second check every month if it meant school children had to go hungry for it. The food that schools provide to some of these kids is the only meal that they get sometimes. I’m an educator and you see it all the time, kids coming to school hungry, dirty, obviously not cared for. It should be the parents responsibility but neglect is hard to prove. By the way, it wasn’t Obama who said that he couldn’t find the money last year, it was a republican senator.

  26. John says:

    to jCroce
    you know Ive been doing this for 30 years plus Im so sick and tired of People some Veterans but people in General using “Children” as an EXCUSE to cause other adults to live on the street, fill the jails
    Veterans have given up all they have and some people use children as an excuse to take money/ make laws/ all pointed at the Veteran to keep the Veteran off the Rolls.
    JCroce,, if YOU want to Give up your retirement or pay extra tax, just run down to the tax office, they’ll be more than happy too take your money, please do so,,, but don’t tell me to give up anymore, Im not !!!!
    and to call a Veteran (think begrudging needy children their school lunch money is just sad, selfish, and greedy)
    Brother your high and Dope
    if a Parent can’t take care of their own kids (kids coming to school hungry, dirty, obviously not cared for) maybe they should not be a parent
    and how is it a Veteran responsibility to always Give up for Children Programs
    JCroce tell the truth YOUR A LIBERAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  27. JCroce says:

    John, I think that you’re reading my statement incorrectly. I never once said that the government didn’t waste money, I never mentioned taxes, I never said that there were programs that weren’t unnecessary. I simply responded to your statement regarding taking money from children. Had you mentioned the amount of money we send in aid to foreign countries, military spending, bailout money, etc… I would be all behind you, but you chose to pick on children. You specifically want to begrudge children their lunch money, you go further in your next posting to say that it’s not our problem and that is basically an excuse to deny veterans their money(as if there is some conspiracy to withhold monies from us.)
    Now, I don’t know your particular circumstances, however, I can relate to you mine. I served in the US Navy for 12 years before my heart gave out. I had to be implanted with a defibrillator and was then medically discharged at 100 percent disability. I worked with electronics and now can no longer do so because of potential interference with my device. So, I basically left the Navy after 12 years with no usable job skills. I was able to apply for unemployment without a single problem, I then began to use my GI Bill with only a small delay between doing the paper work and actually receiving payments, I attended a seminar at the VA that would increase the GI Bill for another year, help me to find a job or help in starting up my own business, and they would help in making my house more accessible for those with disabilities. I didn’t need any of those services, but they’re available to all veterans. There is the Troops to Teachers program, NMCRS, and a host of other services available to veterans to keep us off the street, keep food in our stomachs,and to help us find employment. Maybe those services wouldn’t be needed if the government did the right thing and gave us what we earned/deserve, however, to do so at the expense of children is disgusting. We were all in the service, we all performed our duties with honor, courage, and commitment, do we stop living our lives by that code simply because we received a DD214? Should we not still hold ourselves to the high moral ground? By all means, John, be angry with the government, write your senator, write your congressman, show them your anger on election day, but don’t pick on children.
    Now, let me point something out to you, it was Senator Reid, a Liberal(egads!!) Democrat, that introduced the bill that would phase out the withholding of our retirement pay. That was in 2009. That same year Senator Tom Coburn, a conservative republican , is responsible for squashing concurrent receipt. So, is being a liberal all that bad? Maybe you should direct your ire in another direction, possibly the conservatives. That’s not an admission on my part that I am either a liberal democrat or a conservative republican, I am simply pointing out some facts. I consider myself more of an independent. The Dems lean too far the the left and the Gop too far to the right, the Dems spend too much and increase the size of government, the Gop uses too much religious rhetoric and is only interested in serving the needs of the rich.
    Please, John, turn off Glenn Beck and think for yourself. Look things up, fact check, do some research, after that choose where you want to direct your frustration. Neither Obama/Liberals/ or children are responsible for your not receiving all the money owed you however.

  28. Fred says:

    For a CRDP update go to S.3793, Sec.606……….

  29. melchor Quitoriano says:

    medically retired @100 percent and totally disabled, any change for real in the future or just bullshit talks. Obama, your word is your face, so far, you have not done a damn thing for your veterans. Speak for yourself for real please. It’s me Chief Quitoriano, medically retired in 2007 after 21 years of service due to massive stroke. Thank you Mr President, only promise what you can deliver please.

  30. BJPUSAF says:

    Chief Quitoriano,

    I cannot find a definetive answer to this but I feel you would know first hand how to answer my question. I am 22 years Air Force E-8 and am currently meeting a MED Board. (Med Retirement looks like the final outcome). My question is this…Do chapter 61 vets OVER 20 years receive concurrent receipt?


  31. NCCM(ret) says:


    All my friends who are over 20 years retired and above 50% VA disability draw both.

  32. melchor Quitoriano says:

    are we supposed to expect for any compensation adjustment. 100% and permanntly disabled.

  33. John says:

    I know that voting on the budget was put off until after the elections, but how is it looking for concurrent receipts this year? Is it still in the proposed budget?

  34. melchor Quitoriano says:

    no wonder why now President Ovomit will only a 1 term President. Only promise what you can deliver shipwreck.

  35. NCCM(ret) says:

    From today’s Air Force Times;

    “We are not going to balance the budget on the backs of service members and retirees,” said an aide close to McKeon.

    However, Republicans also have no better plan than Democrats did on how to pay for promised increases in military retired pay for disabled veterans whose retired pay is reduced by the amount they receive in veterans’ disability compensation.

    Republicans, especially Rep. Joe Wilson of South Carolina, in line to chair the armed services committee’s military personnel panel, have railed at Democrats for not finding the $5.1 billion it would take to provide concurrent receipt of full retired and disability pay for all veterans entitled to both payments.

    But Democratic aides said Republicans face the same pay-as-you-go budget restrictions that force offsetting cuts in other programs to pay for better benefits for disabled retirees.

    “If this were easy, it would have been done a long time ago,” said a Democratic aide, who asked not to be identified because he will be working with Republicans on the 2012 defense budget.

  36. hanford white says:

    are chapter 61 retires ,100% va disabled with less than 20 years receiving their retirement pay starting January 2011???

  37. retired says:

    All military veterans should get a pay increase, not just those with disabilities! They all served their country!

  38. melchor Quitoriano says:

    why are they still taking 814.00 from my disability retirement being 100% disabled and medically retired in September 2007. please help me, thank you.

  39. John says:

    Hi, with all this talk of spending cuts, I’ve lost hope of concurrent receipts passing this year, but I haven’t heard anything about it. Is it still alive or is it off the table?
    Take it easy,

  40. Debbie says:

    I think the government is more interested in providing funding for illegal alien children to attend colleges with free money than giving veterans anything. There are too many members of congress who are trying to figure out ways to get votes from different groups to care about veterans.

  41. T. Edwards says:

    Part of the problem lies in the difinition of a Chapter 61 retiree. This can range from a 2nd year Spec 4 who blew out their knee getting out of a deuce and a half in 75′ to someone like myself, a 24 year E-8 who lost the use of my right arm (dominate arm) by an IED in Iraq. Not that the blown out knee doesn’t deserve compensation as well, but come on folks. When the politicians in DC start talking comp for Ch. 61 retirees they need a better understanding and explanation of who they are talking about.

  42. john says:

    It was my understanding that those who have served 20+ years do get both retirement and disability. I might be wrong on this, but I thought chapter 61 retirees were those who did not serve 20 but were medically retired, and that they’re the ones that are subject to the offset.

  43. NCCM(ret) says:


    Those with 20+ years and who have a 50%+ disability rating do get concurrent receipt, those an under 50% disability do not.

  44. John Croce says:

    Thanks NCC, I wasn’t aware about the 50% cut off point. So I guess we don’t get concurrent receipts this year, maybe next year.

  45. Jamie says:

    It looks like this got put in to the budget proposal again for 2012. It seems to be worded a little different though. It just says that members that are qualified for retirement pay would also get their disability pay. Does this apply to people medically retired with less than 20 years?

  46. lvdub says:

    All veterans deserve concurrent pay for the amount of years served. I don’t blame president Obama,this should have been a law 20 years ago. These senators and representatives are just sitting around living the good life, they could care less about veterans and their families. We have no real support in Washington. I have faith in God not the idiots up there lying to get a vote!

  47. Sam says:

    How about concurrent pay for those that medically retired beyond 20 years of service? I planned a minimum 25 year career and contracted a disease at 23+ years. I was determined to be 100% disabled and medically retired. I receive retirement and disability, but I’m irked that my monthly retired pay is reduced significantly. Apparently my retirement pay is authorized/calculated at 30 years longevity as a result of my 100% disability. However to receive my disability that pay is reduced to my actual time in service of 23 years. Is it wrong for me to expect my full retirement that I qualify for due to disability and my VA disability pay too? I can’t imagine there are too many people in my position.

  48. NCCM(ret) says:


    I wish I had an answer for you – I have never heard of someone getting 75% of base pay without doing the full thirty years. Based on my understanding, you should be getting the retirement pay of ~57% of base pay plus the rate of 100% of appropriate disability pay. The fact that you get both disability pay that is not deducted from your retirement pay means you are already receiving concurrent receipt.

  49. Ed says:

    You also have Social Security. If you are 62 or older you can collect that too. You must have retired about the age of 45 to 50. If you are working as most retirees do tell your boss to srart a 401-K plan. I think the most that can be taken out is &7 to 10 % of your income before you’r taxes. I did that and it only maid a dent in my take home. If I wrere you I’d also get to the V.A. rep. He will give you more info.

    Ed. USAF Ret.

  50. Tom says:

    Ok, I just got my VA calculation in the mail. My overall or combined rating is 60% I have 27 Years service. On page two of the computation it specifically says, “You are not allowed to recieve full military retired pay and full VA compensation at the same time.” Now I am really confused by everything above.

  51. John Croce says:

    I have a question about social security, I seem to remember someone saying something about being able to receive SS benefits when I was being processed out of the Navy. I’ve received a 100 percent disability rating from the Navy after 13 years. I’m struggling with bills/finding work. Am I allowed to receive SS benefits? I’m 38, so I’m a little ways off from retirement age, however, don’t they have a category for disabled folks? I just wanted to ask before starting the process, it looks kinda lengthy and if I can’t get it or won’t qualify then I’d rather not waste their or my time. Thank you.

  52. Debbie says:

    This is for John Croce. I think you should go ahead and start the process for obtaining social security disability. If you don’t try to get it, it is 100% certain you will not get it. However, in my opinion, you will probably have to hire an attorney who deals with social security disability. Check out attorneys and their fees if you are turned down by SSA: or, maybe you would prefer to check one out before you tackle SSA on your own. This is just my opinion as I am not an attorney. Hope it helps.

  53. stanley says:

    I am a chapter 61 retirement with award of 60% off active duty. My retirement is $3200.00 a month. I applied for and was awarded 100% permenent VA disability. I was awarded $2823.00 per month but they subtract 3200.00 – 2823.00 leaving me 380.00 retirement. I applied for CRSC and was awarded 90% combat related and I get 823.00 a month. Because of my injuries my retirement was tax free so when they gave me the 2823.00 I didn’t gain anything. I served 38 yrs in the National Guard I have my 20 yr letter with the guard and a total of 7740 point for retirement. I was AGR when I was medically discharged with 18yrs 3 mo. service. My DD 214 shows me chapter 61 retired permenent disability.I was told that they couldn’t take my retirement away with the VA waiver is this true. thanks for any help

  54. Victor L. Evans says:

    What ever happend to CDRP for 100% disabled veterans which was authorized in the President signing the Bill HR 4213, Job loop hole and recovery and unemployment extension bill? It supposedly authorized 90% thru 100% veterans with less than twenty years service CDRP effective 1 January 2011, with 70% 80% authorized 1 January 2012. It was funded for two years. What ever happened to it?

  55. NCCM(ret) says:


    I just read HR 4213 and it makes no reference to concurrent receipt.

  56. Fred says:

    It’s probably a good bet that concurrent receipt isn’t going to see the light of day again this year. H.R. 1979 is the latest attempt by a politician to feel good about himself and offer yet another carrot for us to chase. I often wonder how many votes these idiots think they’ll get for keeping this issue alive? You gotta love those politicians.

  57. John says:

    Ive said this before,,, its not going to happen,, we need to get off this kick of “oh Im 20 years in service” idea,, we are all Retired Military we should be treated Equally,, its these Service Org that are screwing us up

  58. John says:

    Change Two: “All Members and Retired” if you read how that is defined it Don’t included Chap 61, less then 20 years,,
    I’ll Believe it when when is Reads what the Def of the word “Member and Retired is and that Chap 61 with less than 20 years is Removed and replaced with a new Def of the Word “Retired” not this chap 61 junk. when all members and Retired means “ALL MEMBERS”

  59. NCCM(ret) says:

    Those who are medically retired before 20 years of service still earned retirement, but I will add Chapter 61 to be more clear.

  60. John says:

    Im sorry you’re wrong with that statement “Those who are medically retired before 20 years of service still earned retirement” Chap 61 less than 20 years don’t “Earn” any retirement from any source thats why they call it chap 61 retirees. where did you get the idea that chap 61 retirees Earn anything. can you please cite the rule or regulation,,, Oh people over 20 years, man they got theirs, oh yeah ,, but not chap 61.
    I don’t buy into this “we’re over 20 years junk. the issue of “Concurrent receipt” should ONLY be about Chap 61 less than 20 years because over 20 years service retirees already got theirs , need I list what they got

  61. NCCM(ret) says:


    I have been consistent in saying that Chapter 61 should also receive a retirement pension – in the Austerity post, I say everyone who is retired should get both.

    You think those who have over 20 should not, well, I don’t agree with that whatsoever. Each is separate (retired and disability pay) and should not be played against the other – it would be like saying those that draw military retired pay should not draw social security when both have been fully vested in by the member.

  62. Fred says:

    This continuing confusing commentary of retirement, concurrent receipt and chapter 61 could be made simple if it was referred to as pensions based on years served and receipt of CRDP or CRSC. Both groups are RETIRED and receive a PENSION, who cares if it was for 20 years or a disability, fight that battle drinking beer and telling war stories. We have to stand together as a group and change the law to concurrently receive a pension and VA disability compensation, “CONCURRENT RECEIPT”.

  63. Mike says:

    I was Med Retired in Feb 2011, I have been a SS recipient since June 2010 while in WTU. I was retired at 80% Perm with 8yrs from DOD 100% from VA as of this Morning. Being Friday cant see anything till monday tuesday when i recieve my Brown Envelope. Will i recieve this Concurrent or is it still just a recommendation? Thank you.

  64. Fred says:


    If the 80% or any part of the 80% is combat related, that part should qualify for CRSC. You have to apply for that through your branch of service. If you read through all of the 64 questions and answers in this section you will get a good leason about Concurrent Receipt and how it’s supposed to work. Will it ever happen, probably not in my lifetime, maybe in your’s.

    Research everything you’re told, find the answer then ask the question, when dealing with the VA or any other Government agency, if you don’t know the answer you can’t ask the question. Sad fact but true.

    Welcome home keep the faith and ask those question…….

  65. Herb says:

    I have 17 plus active years and active Reserve time totalling 21 years plus. Where would I fit in the Sceme or Whole picture?


    SFC US Army, Retired

  66. Rette says:

    1. I am a retired veteran with 27 years of Meritorious Service. I was rated from the VA with eight disabling service connection. However, I only draw compensation for three of them. Before I retired concurrent receipt for veterans, less than 50% would be retroactive in year 2010. Then it was year 2012, 2014 and now I am hearing it want be until year 2015 before this bill is presented for budgeting. My question is why budgeting have does be the sacrifice of active military and veterans. If veterans retire or not, and work at an organization in corporate America they are not penalize from that company because they have retired from the service. A veteran who has retired are basically paying themselves to be disabled, even though it is offset by CRDP or CRSC if the veteran qualifies. Keep in mind that not all disabilities are combat related and therefore is not payable through CRDP or CRSC. In addition to veterans paying themselves to be disabled, we are told when this bill was presented a few years ago, to contact your Congressman or Senator. Well, I did both and found that my Congressman neither supported the bill in 2010 or any other time. He has never supported anything conducive to the Armed Services unless it benefited the majority in DC or favorite party. This is not hearsay it is factual. You can find most of what your Congressman or Senator vote for on line by visiting their website or read Military Officer Magazine. I believe there is not enough veterans petitioning to get and uphold their benefits. They do not want to make wave…and for the veteran who is drawing 10% for an agent orange related disease I would suggest you visit your Veteran Service Organization and quickly. Any veteran who has Agent Orange related illnesses should be more than 10% disabling, this holds true for OIF/OEF and desert storm recipients. Get to your VA service office, have the facts. Do not go blind-sided; make sure you know what you are talking about through research. On the lighter side, veterans who are less than 50% disabling and is paying themselves from their retirement should petition with signatures from all states and present this through your local charters: Veterans of Foreign Wars, American Legions, Vietnam Veterans of American, and American Veterans. Maybe these organizations will get something done about this concurrent receipt. No organization in corporate America have their retiree to pay themselves to be disabled and most never had boots on the ground or raise the right hand – voluntarily. Therefore, I say to all do what is right, not what is best!
    Comment by Rette — August 31, 2011 @ 10:26 pm

  67. Ed says:

    There has been no info. on this issue for some time. Has it been scraped from the DOD and VA budget for 2012? What happened to the fiscal budget any way? I think our military in all the branches have kissed up the the congress, house and the president. Just like before the V.N. war this countries defence was down to the raw bone. That in it’s self should ring a bell for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Dont weaken the military no matter what the situation and be cought off guard. The Admerals and generals were young officers when we were the object of that disgracefull and humiliating pull out. The troops were the ones that had to suffer for Kissingers bundoggle
    and still are 40 some years later.
    Concurrent pay should not be based only if your became disabled and medicaly retires in a none combat theater. WE had no choice where we would be deployed. You go to where your needed. If you are considered not eligable to serve it shouldent matter where you were disabled. If this was a civilian matter your boss would be reported to the National Labor Relations Board and maid to reinburse the misstreated employees for back pay and fined by the United States Labor Board. Thats a reminder not to screw up next time. Ed.

  68. Bruce says:

    It would just be nice to have all this in regular spoken words and not in the VA/DOD Wording, or Math. I am approved for CRSC but I get no benefit for it, which to me makes no sense since how can I approved for something and not get it. I know its the math or adding the ratings and the different ammounts of this and that.

    Anyone tell me what to sign, where to show up, or what to do to help get this to be fair for all I will be there, or be involved.

    Medically retired 10 years active, CRSC approved, but I only get my VA SC Amount. We all should get what we have earned by service, SC or combat related! Bruce

  69. Fred says:

    Until we get more Veterans into political positions on the floor of Congress we will continue to be at the mercy of the carpet baggers. Stop the grumble it’s time to rumble. Get involved in the political process, encourage veterans to run for political office. I read today that only 22% of the members of both houses of Congress are veterans. If we’re not represented by those making the rules we can’t expect to be protected. You can sing the poor me song all day or you can say enough of getting my 6 kicked, I’ll kick back with emails, phone calls, town meetings, political functions, veteran groups, churchs, news papers, radio, TV. Time for boots on the ground, reform the squad, attack those who are attacking us…..VOTE, encourage anyone and everyone you know to vote replace the carpet baggers with true patriots, VETERANS……..If you’re having trouble with the VA or understanding what your rights are contact a Veterans Service Officer they’re trained and know how to work the system, don’t take NO for an answer keep fighting you earned it………….Today is Veterans Day, welcome home my brothers and sisters let them know we’re back run for a political office……


  70. Hanford J. White says:

    what is the current status of concurrent pay for Chapter 61 retirees with less than 20 years of service.

  71. William F. Blackburn says:

    The current process is only for retirees that served 20 years or more. I am in the process of being bumped up to 100% by the VA for being a dialysis patient for a service connected disability and I am not going to be receiving my retirement check until Obama gets off his high horse and signs it into law. He said he would take care of us but yet his administration is not budging to help us obtain what is rightfully ours. I retired after 8 years 3 months and 25 days of active service in the Marines. Discharged with a incurable kidney disease which the Military excepts for blame for. I received my retirement checks until the VA took them away. Now I am out of that check and have been since 1989. The VA website says if you have retired with 20 or more years of service or your 100% disabled according to the VA. That OR does not mean me or you, sorry to have to tell you this. Hope it helps.

  72. Keith Fuller says:

    We are not individuals, we are a unit, team, and a chain of power that can do and make anything happen. I for one am not expecting anything other than all of us get what we earned. Do not say I have 20 years or more. Do not feel sorry that you do not have 20 years. We gave our time and lives. We must come together and fight, and we have been trained to fight. It is our government we are the government, the people. So it is time to march on DC and demand what we want and get it. It can only happen if we act. Sending emails to government officials will not work. Our message ends up in the trash. Although it may seem that bailing out loan companies and auto companies is more important, if we speak up and go enforce they then will know that we are important. It is time to stop the madness and take care of ourselves and families. I would love to take my grandson fishing without taking a hand full of pain killers, but I can’t. Are you ready I am? My Story

  73. Keith Fuller says:


    Why has my country discarded me? Why has my government turned its back on me? I gave you my life and then you turned your back on me, and many others like me. I was once young, strong, and determined to protect my country at all costs like my father and my brother before me. I did this with selfless service, and with the highest moral standards. I obeyed the orders given me, and never disobeyed orders; leaving my children and my wife to stay away from home for long periods of time. I gave you my ability to work and support my family. I gave you my mind, my body parts and my ability to feel worth as a human being. So again I ask why?

    My story and many others like me. I was an Infantry Airborne Soldier; I did my time in Korea, and Honduras. I did my road marches of 25, 50, and 100 miles with my time at Ft. Drum and in those other countries. I stayed awake for days on end, and completely satisfied with what I was doing; Always being prepared to defend my country. I then taught young leaders how to become the leaders for tomorrows Army. I did this by 20 hour days and longer. I trained in subzero weather 100 plus degree weather; never once feeling sorry for myself. I knew that I was defending and preparing others to defend this country long after I was gone. I had such an overwhelming belief in my country and in what I was doing I felt that others should know, they too could help defend our great country. I volunteered to go on Recruiting and became one of the best in the country. Spreading the word of how great our country is and why we needed their help to defend this country and our way of life. Supporting our government and the constitution we all hold so close to our hearts. So again I ask why?

    I then started to feel my body fall apart. I had already had 3 surgeries on my ankle and destroyed my great left toe, along with major back problems along with surgeries, shoulder problems, and my hips could not stand to be laid on to sleep. I was only 16 years in and things were going bad, but I never wavered in my duty, I never stopped believing in the cause and still believed in what I was doing and would not stop at any cost. So again I ask why?

    My children now are getting older they do not understand the sacrifices they have to make with my presence never at home. I do not blame them for the thoughts they have. I can only go on with the straights and beliefs I have. I can only try to explain why, why I have to do what I do. Years have passed, and I have a relationship with my son who now is a father and his work takes him away for periods of time and he finally learned why. His two younger sisters now grown still do not know why and I have lost them forever. So again I ask why?

    So you see life is funny, this is just the tip of the iceberg, and a little information on my life but there is more, but to much more to keep going on. I did prescription drugs, drank alcohol, lost my family, and lost my ability to function in life to keep the dream alive; to defend my country against all enemies foreign and domestic. So again I ask why?

    In Conclusion, I spent 19 years 3 months and 20 days in the United States Army and in 2004 you threw me away. Why, Why I ask? That is all I want to know. Why do you treat me and others like me this way? We did not want to leave but you made us leave. Yes you send us to the VA and they take care of us, (I guess). I am looking at more back operations, and ankle fusion after 7 operations. I am 100% Service Connected and on Social Security, this all helps in what I call a life not at all, but the biggest slap in the face is you took away my retirement pay. Don’t tell me it is put into the VA pay and its tax free. I don’t care about tax free. I care about everything you read above and you turned your back on me and took it all away. So again I ask why?

    SFC Keith A. Fuller Former Retired United States Army, you took it away from me and I will never forgive you. Why?
    You can stop this and give back to us the feeling of worth and give us back our Military retirement pay we not only deserve but earned not only with time, but with the lives of loved ones, and our ability to be fulfilled in life.

    Pass Chapter 61 for all that served no matter what the time limit, what is time anyway, we live and then we die. Do not turns your back on us, live up to what you said you would do; take care of those who took care of you, those that scarified everything even there life.

    Thank you Mr. Fuller (Never leave a fallen soldier behind, and you have)

  74. ED says:

    The retired veteran that wrote on Feb. 1, 2012, Today. This may help you. From the Army Times
    the title reads ” Plan would boost pay for Chapter 61″.
    QUOTE: “For 22 month- Jan.1,2012 until Sep.30,2012-People with fewer than 20 years of service who are receiving military retierment pay for service- connected disabitities rated by the Veterans Affairs Department at 100% would be allowed to receive full veteran’s disability and military pay”.

  75. Fred says:

    Question about Ed’s response on Feb.1, 2012, are you referring to a current article from Army Times or is this from the article on March 2010 ? I’m not aware of any current legislation approving anything new.

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