We WILL NOT have a DRAFT!
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We WILL NOT have a DRAFT!
John Kerry is trying to scare you, PERIOD!
There will not be a draft. We are not even close to needing one. I will take the reserve/guard question first.
Every action of call up is in their contract, nobody’s rights are being violated. I find it just plain wrong to think we would have hundreds of thousands reserve/guard members out their drawing pay and benefits for up to 30 years in some cases and have no expectation of a call up. “But I only joined to pay for college” is like saying I only wanted to get married for the sex.
Now the “back door” draft notion. The individual ready reserve (IRR) and fleet reserve (FR) are also contractual and understood. The IRR is contracted the day you initially sign up. It is the initial 8 year obligation each member has when you enlist, your active contract may be anywhere from 2-6 years but your total contract is 8. Up to the conclusion of the 8 years you can be recalled to serve in the same capacity in which you were first discharged. The IRR has been used before, many times. The FR is the time between a members leaving active duty with retirement benefits until a total of 30 years have past. So if I transferred to the FR today, I could still be recalled for another 6 years.
Now what if we exhausted all the IRR/FR and reserve/guard, had them all working and we just needed more people to serve. We have standards that currently turn away more than HALF of the people who apply to serve, even now all services have a waiting list (Delayed entry program), the Navy’s for example has most of our FY-05 mission already identified. We could increase the list of any service by decreasing our self imposed standards, which like I said turn away more than HALF of those who want to serve, call any recruiting station and ask then if you could lower the ASVAB AFQT to 24 as an example for everyone including those with a GED what impact that would have. Ask what the impact would be if the HT/WT standards where relaxed by even 2% to 24%BF or even to the very old standard of 26%. The military is currently congressionally capped at only 10% non-high school graduates. And in the final analysis we do not want any person who does not want to serve. I would rather have an obese, mentally challenged, multi time felon who wants to than a person forced to.
There will not be a draft. We are not even close to needing one. I will take the reserve/guard question first.
Every action of call up is in their contract, nobody’s rights are being violated. I find it just plain wrong to think we would have hundreds of thousands reserve/guard members out their drawing pay and benefits for up to 30 years in some cases and have no expectation of a call up. “But I only joined to pay for college” is like saying I only wanted to get married for the sex.
Now the “back door” draft notion. The individual ready reserve (IRR) and fleet reserve (FR) are also contractual and understood. The IRR is contracted the day you initially sign up. It is the initial 8 year obligation each member has when you enlist, your active contract may be anywhere from 2-6 years but your total contract is 8. Up to the conclusion of the 8 years you can be recalled to serve in the same capacity in which you were first discharged. The IRR has been used before, many times. The FR is the time between a members leaving active duty with retirement benefits until a total of 30 years have past. So if I transferred to the FR today, I could still be recalled for another 6 years.
Now what if we exhausted all the IRR/FR and reserve/guard, had them all working and we just needed more people to serve. We have standards that currently turn away more than HALF of the people who apply to serve, even now all services have a waiting list (Delayed entry program), the Navy’s for example has most of our FY-05 mission already identified. We could increase the list of any service by decreasing our self imposed standards, which like I said turn away more than HALF of those who want to serve, call any recruiting station and ask then if you could lower the ASVAB AFQT to 24 as an example for everyone including those with a GED what impact that would have. Ask what the impact would be if the HT/WT standards where relaxed by even 2% to 24%BF or even to the very old standard of 26%. The military is currently congressionally capped at only 10% non-high school graduates. And in the final analysis we do not want any person who does not want to serve. I would rather have an obese, mentally challenged, multi time felon who wants to than a person forced to.
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i know there is something where when u turn 18 you have to sign up for something. i havent done that yet, so will someone plz tell me how to do it. i heard there was a website or someting?
I do what needs to be done. What do you expect from a true freak.
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Selective service
Google "selective service" or go to the post office and sign up, fast and easy.
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Ouch - General

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Well one of my friends at school had this bug long paper had that said that the school gave out your information to the military. I'm not sure about it though.
Of Couse I'm Out Of My Mind.
It's Dark And Scary In There.
It's Dark And Scary In There.
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Master Chief
I am a Master Chief in the Navy.
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SO you can swim and stuff
SO YOU CAN SWM AND STUFF
Emu seriously you have huge issues, you can take them up with me after the show. Crazy Emu's
Emu seriously you have huge issues, you can take them up with me after the show. Crazy Emu's
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o man the show is still goin on, when is the time it will be over???? im so confused!!!
P.S. send me those oops, bad word here pictures u prick!!!!!
P.S. send me those oops, bad word here pictures u prick!!!!!
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say what
Hoo-Ya, Master Chief.
Another week gone here in beutiful Iraq. Not much I'm allowed to say, because they are still informing the relatives, but we took a bad VBIED this week. Lost five. I swear, these people are just plain animals. I tried to be neutral on most issues. But if you go to aljazeera.com, you can read all the one sided propoganda which is published in the arab media. Now, that site is different than aljazeera.net (arabic version, much more harsh)
In other news, it has been cooling off here. We haven't broke 100 degrees this week, and the nights are actuallly enjoyable. We will quickly transition into winter, where it is plain bitter. No doubts about it.
I don't have much to post this time, just lettin you guys know i'm still around. I hope all is well, and I see brother Ouch is doing a good job at setting the truth free about the IRR/ and Selective Service. Thanks boss.
As for anyone else, keep on keepin' on! Write if you want.
I'll be around.
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Another week gone here in beutiful Iraq. Not much I'm allowed to say, because they are still informing the relatives, but we took a bad VBIED this week. Lost five. I swear, these people are just plain animals. I tried to be neutral on most issues. But if you go to aljazeera.com, you can read all the one sided propoganda which is published in the arab media. Now, that site is different than aljazeera.net (arabic version, much more harsh)
In other news, it has been cooling off here. We haven't broke 100 degrees this week, and the nights are actuallly enjoyable. We will quickly transition into winter, where it is plain bitter. No doubts about it.
I don't have much to post this time, just lettin you guys know i'm still around. I hope all is well, and I see brother Ouch is doing a good job at setting the truth free about the IRR/ and Selective Service. Thanks boss.
As for anyone else, keep on keepin' on! Write if you want.
I'll be around.
woot
wild sends
sofwildbill@yahoo.com
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