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I am impressed by the Chief’s comunity’s ability to impress itself on the junior inlisted by widthholding information, a culture of secrecy and an attitude of superiority that leaves those who wish not to participate in useless games of tradition to the title of “E-7.”
As a former Marine, I call bullshit. Step up to the plate with knowledge and leadership skills. Chief selects who stand up to your “traditions” are leaders, not followers, it’s the pandemic destroying your community now.
How about a staff leadership school (instead of a foolish indoc/hazing) like the rest of the military? -
Jim,
If you think initiation is nonsense, then ask some of your Marine Gunnys that have gone through the process alongside the selectees if they thought it was “useless games of tradition”. As a matter of fact you can ask the Air Force and Army folks that have done it too while you’re at it.
And by the way…we do have a leadership school “like the rest of the military”; it is called Senior Leadership Academy.
You might want to do some research next time before you call something/someone foolish.
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Jim,
Also before you go onto a Navy themed blog to try and degrade a tradition that many of us Chiefs, including the MCPON himself, hold very near and dear to our hearts you might want to do a couple things first.1. Run your response through a spell checker so as to not cause your post to seem like it was written by someone without a normal education.
2. Do a little research into the subject matter of which your post is to be about. By just going to Google and doing a simple search you would see that many of the aspect of the Chief indoctrination are heavily steeped in many old traditions that have been adapted for modern times to aid in giving new senior leadership tools to not only succeed but excel as the future leaders of the Navy.V/R MMC
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Jim,
Seriously bro think before you speak. I’m a first class in the Navy, a third generation Navy man, and fifth generation military service man. The tradition of a First Class Petty Officers transition to Chief Petty Officer is one embodies tradition, embraces leadership, and demands mentorship. It’s not only deeply rooted in naval history but United States history.
If you would have done any research at all you would have known that only two ratings have remained in continuous use since 1797 (Boatswain’s Mate and Gunner’s Mate). Well over 100 Navy Chiefs have received the Medal of Honor; a commissioned vessel has been navy after the “rank itself”. How many other branches of service have ever named a command after a rank? NONE! If that alone does not tell you that there is something more to transition than what you said (“instead of a foolish indoc/hazing”) then you really have got your wires crossed.A chief simple put is:
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Thinking and waiting on the results is making me mad. They need to com out now! LOL -
Jim is just mad becuase he couldn’t get in the USN so he had to become a Jarhead.
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Jim, I could not help but notice that you typed “former” Marine, not retired. I can only speculate at the anger you feel for the andvancement system in the USMC. As a Retired Navy Chief, I can tell you that you, are ill informed, ill mannered and ill willed. It is obvious that you never had or have the mental dedication, leadership and pride of a US Marine. I know this because, I have never met a Marine in my life, that outside of joking and in a bar, disrespected another service for the Job they do. Ribbing is one thing. You my poor misdirected service member, you NEED A CHIEF IN YOUR LIFE! Navy Chief brothers….Navy Pride..
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I agree with Jim ofcourse because I am also a Marine. I just don’t understand how you learn “leadership” in such a short time. In the Marine Corps we start learning it at boot camp. A few weeks where we iron underwear and shine boots doesn’t teach leadership. I was stationed on an amphib for 3 years and I have experienced this first hand. Now that being said I respect the Navy and it’s people you are some of the hardiest working folks I know. I am still friends with many of the sailors I served with and hope to serve on another Amphib soon. The bottomline is your hazefest doesn’t teach leadership it is outdated and you can come up with whatever reason(excuses) you want it is nothing but a good ole time with the boys earning “their right of passage”.
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Kevin, I was unaware that you went through a Navy Chief Transition Program ( or as I knew it during my time the Initiation). Or did you just hear about it threw the scuttle about the boat, or see a few selectees’ performing acts that you thought were ridiculous? Leadership is taught in many ways, but never in a rush. Leadership is taught from boot camp in the Navy as well, and passed and gained as sailors traverse through the ranks. Much similar to that of the USMC. You see our ways and think it is ridiculous games, hazing and poking fun. Childs play…. Can’t the same be said for some of the corps traditions? I don’t see a lot of Navy guys hanging pics of their naked wives and girlfriends for all to see in the barracks while on deployment. I noted this on a amphib ( the USS Ashland) is this the act of “civilized and structured leadership” or what about any other “hazing” the marine corps does, yet has a purpose behind it? Rite of passage? What about blood stripes? What does that teach? Just Curious Devil Dog.
This is what the Navy does, during transition things happen, you don’t have to understand what and why, you will never get to either, unless you went through a transition with the Navy Chiefs Mess. All you have that I can tell is speculation. Much more happens that what you see, and there is a reason behind it all. Maybe you could use a little humility to humble yourself…… -
where will the CPO results post that is public?
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Is there a specific site that you can recommend that will have the public listing?
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I always enjoy reading posts from people. Especially when they have no idea of what they speak. I am glad their were a few CPO’s here to try and explain as much that can be said. Some of the secrecy is needed, if you knew everything that you were getting into then what would you learn? When I went through my “initiation” I had a Gunny that had earned his Anchors there to teach me. I have also initiated a Gunny a few years later, and he has said that it was worth it to earn his Anchors and wears them with pride. Any Selectee that “stand up to your “traditions”” are in my opinion lazy and closed minded. Probably should have not been selected. I will hold dear to my heart that six weeks and take it the lessons I have learned for the rest of my life. No, a Navy Chief does not learn in six weeks how to be a leader, we, just like all other branches of services start learning in bootcamp. But we add many tools that are very useful in that six weeks. But as with and opinion or thought, this is just mine.
-Proud Chief
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Jim’s right. Chiefs are by far dragging ass behind every other branch’s senior enlisted. They are petty, shameful, lazy, a lot of times fat and stupid as well. They spend a month with that silly ass initiation rather than learning how to actually lead sailors. Usually, it’s the “collateral whores” that make chief, so they are already behind the curve on knowing how to be a first class let alone a chief. If there was ever a real honest evaluation done on the senior enlisted in the navy I think a lot of the FAT would get trimmed off.
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A Chief told me this past weekend…some of what junior enlisted DO see during “Induction” looks and seems humiliating and irrelevant to leadership; however, it is done for a reason, and you will have no idea what that reason is until you become a Chief and years later go through a situation with a junior Sailor where you can look back and have a revelation…”So that was why we did that, so that when I am in this situation I know how to deal with it.”
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Some folks might have there feelings hurt but Jims making a point. I have a long time working with Army soldiers and Marines. currently deployed with the 82nd. I see leadership and mentoring skills the kind I never saw in the fleet. My 2nd deployment to Iraq showed me just how leadership should work. I was most impressed by the Marine ‘camp Corporal’ that ran things at our location. I’ve seen Army and Marine E-4s and E-3s in my current deployment, take charge like Ive never seen in the Navy. Not that it’s totally absent but we’re behind the curb on this. We tend to promote ass kissers and ‘yes’ people. For every name on the list I can say “He’s going to make a good chief” I can see 3 names of folks that sat around working there eval bullets, that spent the majority of there time kissing ass to the CoC.
I was one of the last folks to go thru the ‘leadership course’ that was actually taught. It went away and now amounts to an NKO point an click. The Navy needs to step up in the teaching leadership department and encouraging leadership over likership.
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As a retired master Chief I can tell you that the process has refined itself greatly over the decade plus I spent in the Mess. Very little of what remains is the secretive BS stuff that most focus on. The Mess and more importantly the process is about teaching the comradery and power of the Mess when they are unified to achieve a common goal. Leadership has mostly been learned at that point, it is however refined, focused and clarified during the season.
Those looking in from the outside with little actual knowledge of what is really happening should do so with caution and an understanding that there are parts they don’t see, experience and understand. You can’t make a judgement without a clear picture of the process as a whole, to do so would be ill informed.
The process of selection, like that of the other branches, isn’t perfect. Those that look good on paper are often not so in real life. That isn’t an issue though with the Induction we go through. That is a seperate issue of the selection process. It also isn’t perfect in the other branches, so before critically analyzing our failures, perhaps you should fix yours. I’ve seen enough FUBAR in other branches to know we aren’t the only ones.
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i am a sailor from the vietnam era. my son is a chief waiting on the e-8 results- so am i anxiously, for his sake. i really like your post, no bull, and honest. thanks
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I was a Chief in the Navy at one time. I must say that I agree inpart with the marines on this page. The navy selectee “Training Season” is a waist of time. I learned very quickly that most chiefs spend most of there time being a good “Chief”. You all know what im talking about, CMC luncheons, golf outings, shitting on your own people, not having a clue what is going on in your own division, etc. I have said it many times. Maybe the Chief rank meant something at one time, but it is useless as hell now (atleast since i joined in 1989). E7, E8 and E9 ranks in the navy should be done away with. This could free up tax payers money, and result in a more efficient Navy. The First Classes are the unsung heroes, and sometimes the Second Class. Im not bitter, but i spent 7 years as a chief, and i was disappointed. If any chiefs read this and you havent retired yet, I call on you to do the right thing, I did. Be a leader of man, Take care of your men, teach your men. Dont sell your soul, let the “good chiefs” worry about making senior, and licking the CMC’s anal cavity. You be a leader and take care of your men.
Do you know of a site that keeps up with the FTS/Reserve CPO results, as well as you? The anticipation is killing me.