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		<title>By: Onyx</title>
		<link>http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism/comment-page-1#comment-3255</link>
		<dc:creator>Onyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Riding the BART into Oakland I heard a man who happened to be white scold two other males who happened to be white about how wrong their negative view of another race was.&quot;

This is an interesting interaction and assumption you&#039;ve made about Oakland&#039;s stance on race. Especially since Oscar Grant who was shot in the back by an officer, after being pulled off the BART system and while lying on the ground, was racially motivated. Also, Oakland has a history of race riots, race based disparities, and racially motivated crimes if I&#039;m not mistaken.

Nevertheless, I will say that it does make sense that, in general, areas that are more diverse have more overt racism.

I am in New York, which is extremely diverse, extremely segregated, and extremely racist. Police stand on every other corner in black neighborhoods only. I cannot go into a store, sit on a train, or walk down a street without white people tensing in fear,  grabbing their handbags, checking for their wallets or moving wallets and handbags to the opposite sides of their bodies, even following me in a store, and more. It&#039;s extremely insulting and angering!!! These reactions are based on nothing but race. I&#039;ve even seen 80y.o. (black) women being followed in stores by security. Where is she going to run to? Who is she going to over power. 

I came across this blog because I was trying to find SOMEWHERE in this country where I can live in peace and not feel isolated, like I&#039;m the only African in the vicinity. According to this map, there really aren&#039;t many places at all. That says a lot about this country -- at least from your perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Riding the BART into Oakland I heard a man who happened to be white scold two other males who happened to be white about how wrong their negative view of another race was.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is an interesting interaction and assumption you&#8217;ve made about Oakland&#8217;s stance on race. Especially since Oscar Grant who was shot in the back by an officer, after being pulled off the BART system and while lying on the ground, was racially motivated. Also, Oakland has a history of race riots, race based disparities, and racially motivated crimes if I&#8217;m not mistaken.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I will say that it does make sense that, in general, areas that are more diverse have more overt racism.</p>
<p>I am in New York, which is extremely diverse, extremely segregated, and extremely racist. Police stand on every other corner in black neighborhoods only. I cannot go into a store, sit on a train, or walk down a street without white people tensing in fear,  grabbing their handbags, checking for their wallets or moving wallets and handbags to the opposite sides of their bodies, even following me in a store, and more. It&#8217;s extremely insulting and angering!!! These reactions are based on nothing but race. I&#8217;ve even seen 80y.o. (black) women being followed in stores by security. Where is she going to run to? Who is she going to over power. </p>
<p>I came across this blog because I was trying to find SOMEWHERE in this country where I can live in peace and not feel isolated, like I&#8217;m the only African in the vicinity. According to this map, there really aren&#8217;t many places at all. That says a lot about this country &#8212; at least from your perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know about Maryland having race not being first tconsideration, its pretty racist there from living in thr rural Southern portion of the state. Its about as bad as Alabama or Mississippi. Also in Ohio race is not the first consideration because I was there for 5 years and race is something that is not on peoples minds there. Finally in Michigan after be here for 2 years race is not a factor in most of the state either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know about Maryland having race not being first tconsideration, its pretty racist there from living in thr rural Southern portion of the state. Its about as bad as Alabama or Mississippi. Also in Ohio race is not the first consideration because I was there for 5 years and race is something that is not on peoples minds there. Finally in Michigan after be here for 2 years race is not a factor in most of the state either.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve lived in New York, the Midwest, and various places in the Southeast.  I think that your map is backwards.  I&#039;ve experienced far more racism in the North than the South.  If you take a more objective approach, you&#039;ll see there is evidence supporting the opposite of what your map shows.  If you go to the censusscope website, you can sort US cities for various measurements of racism.  One of these is dissimilarity which measures integration.  It compares how much people of one race live only near their own race to how likely they are to live alongside other races.  The most segregated cities in the country are in the North (In the states of New York, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio, and Pennsylvania).  However, the most integrated cities are all in the South and West (North Carolina, California, Oklahoma, Florida).  I think the integration in the South brings more people of different races together.  This results in more people who have strong opinions about race, for the better and for the worse.  So while there are more people with absolutely no racist bones in the south, there are also more people that are racist fanatics.  I&#039;ve found that people in the North are more racist in general, but there are less people who cling to racism like a cool hobby or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve lived in New York, the Midwest, and various places in the Southeast.  I think that your map is backwards.  I&#8217;ve experienced far more racism in the North than the South.  If you take a more objective approach, you&#8217;ll see there is evidence supporting the opposite of what your map shows.  If you go to the censusscope website, you can sort US cities for various measurements of racism.  One of these is dissimilarity which measures integration.  It compares how much people of one race live only near their own race to how likely they are to live alongside other races.  The most segregated cities in the country are in the North (In the states of New York, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio, and Pennsylvania).  However, the most integrated cities are all in the South and West (North Carolina, California, Oklahoma, Florida).  I think the integration in the South brings more people of different races together.  This results in more people who have strong opinions about race, for the better and for the worse.  So while there are more people with absolutely no racist bones in the south, there are also more people that are racist fanatics.  I&#8217;ve found that people in the North are more racist in general, but there are less people who cling to racism like a cool hobby or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Ouch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the article link, interesting reading. The article mentioned, &quot;Some states had more cooperating agencies than others (reporting to the FBI is not mandatory) and many states have different definitions of hate crimes, making state-to-state comparisons problematic at best.&quot; 

What determines a hate crime is much broader than just race.

My map is not derived by any scientific means, it is just my observations of how people treat each other and the comments I would hear/over-hear. I truly hope all people will look fully beyond the color of ones skin, we will be a much better nation for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the article link, interesting reading. The article mentioned, &#8220;Some states had more cooperating agencies than others (reporting to the FBI is not mandatory) and many states have different definitions of hate crimes, making state-to-state comparisons problematic at best.&#8221; </p>
<p>What determines a hate crime is much broader than just race.</p>
<p>My map is not derived by any scientific means, it is just my observations of how people treat each other and the comments I would hear/over-hear. I truly hope all people will look fully beyond the color of ones skin, we will be a much better nation for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that the deep South, which you show as the most racist, has the lowest rate of hate crime. The highest rate of rate crime occurs in places like Michigan and Massachusetts.

 See http://www.esquire.com/features/hate-crime-0608</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that the deep South, which you show as the most racist, has the lowest rate of hate crime. The highest rate of rate crime occurs in places like Michigan and Massachusetts.</p>
<p> See <a href="http://www.esquire.com/features/hate-crime-0608">http://www.esquire.com/features/hate-crime-0608</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 02:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good work on the map.  It is *close* to what I have seen.  My suggested corrections:  Akron/Cleveland should be pink.  A thin strip from NYC directly north to Canada should be pink.  Most of the rest of NY and PA should be blue, except for Ithaca, Philly, Pitt, and State College.  Much of Kansas should be blue.  Maybe there shouldn&#039;t be so much green along all of the pacific coast, certainly not through rural Oregon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work on the map.  It is *close* to what I have seen.  My suggested corrections:  Akron/Cleveland should be pink.  A thin strip from NYC directly north to Canada should be pink.  Most of the rest of NY and PA should be blue, except for Ithaca, Philly, Pitt, and State College.  Much of Kansas should be blue.  Maybe there shouldn&#8217;t be so much green along all of the pacific coast, certainly not through rural Oregon.</p>
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		<title>By: Ouch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Elayne,

Thank you for visiting. I have Hawaii in pink not green mainly for the issues you describe.</description>
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<p>Thank you for visiting. I have Hawaii in pink not green mainly for the issues you describe.</p>
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		<title>By: elayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>elayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in the Aloha state, which you showed in the map as &quot;not an issue&quot;, however, that is partially inaccurate. The pure Hawaiians generally are upset that all the other races have taken over their land - and rightfully so. They have been trodden down - lowest paid, unhealthiest, etc. Being a &quot;newcomer&quot; to Hawaii, I have felt quite a bit of racism unfortunately, but I try to understand why the people feel that way and have studied to know what actually happened. They are similar to the American Indians who were forced of their lands and have lost so much because someone else came in and felt it was their right to own the land. Injustices were done and it still lives on in their hearts. We need to learn to forgive and be tolerant of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the Aloha state, which you showed in the map as &#8220;not an issue&#8221;, however, that is partially inaccurate. The pure Hawaiians generally are upset that all the other races have taken over their land &#8211; and rightfully so. They have been trodden down &#8211; lowest paid, unhealthiest, etc. Being a &#8220;newcomer&#8221; to Hawaii, I have felt quite a bit of racism unfortunately, but I try to understand why the people feel that way and have studied to know what actually happened. They are similar to the American Indians who were forced of their lands and have lost so much because someone else came in and felt it was their right to own the land. Injustices were done and it still lives on in their hearts. We need to learn to forgive and be tolerant of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Ouch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If this was a debate, at this particular point, I would be ahead of you Ouch.&quot;

In some parts of the country this would be harder or even impossible ONLY because you are Asian. And that is what I have a big problem with. That make my position a little more clear? 

&quot;I am very much privy to your point of view. I used to hold the same views as you. I hope you might at least read the first link before responding to me.&quot;

In your first post you implied you changed your views because of the writings of the first paper which was published in a white separatist periodical. Believing in the conclusions written in that publication would be like molding your life after the book Mein Kampf.

&quot;If you insist on still attacking me, instead of rationally debating my points, consider this my last response.&quot;

Thank you for your input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If this was a debate, at this particular point, I would be ahead of you Ouch.&#8221;</p>
<p>In some parts of the country this would be harder or even impossible ONLY because you are Asian. And that is what I have a big problem with. That make my position a little more clear? </p>
<p>&#8220;I am very much privy to your point of view. I used to hold the same views as you. I hope you might at least read the first link before responding to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>In your first post you implied you changed your views because of the writings of the first paper which was published in a white separatist periodical. Believing in the conclusions written in that publication would be like molding your life after the book Mein Kampf.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you insist on still attacking me, instead of rationally debating my points, consider this my last response.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you for your input.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch, I never made the connection that Blacks automatically makes you Dangerous.  I repeat, I have NEVER said that.  You are speaking from emotions, and your maps shows it, though base on your experience, ignores the very human experience that everyday people go through.  I made a mistake in trying to be simple in my explanation to you.  For that we have come to this regretful misunderstanding, from this point on I will show you what I truly mean by I CANNOT EXPLAIN IT TO YOU IN WORDS ALONE.  Do you think I am some racist who reads an article, see the simple superficial logic in it and declares that Blacks = Bad.  Fine, if you want to attack me base on that, attack my logic, attack my evidence, attack my reasoning.  You have attack my evidence once, reread my response after that, I have told you that I will throw that out for the sake of our discussion.  But I can easily bring in facts; which anyone will not disagree with.  If I was to look at the FBI database for the nation, what will that statistics tell me: that the majority of the violent crime offenders are males?

Now, if I was to query a search on which race of people statistically commits a greater percentage of crime, what would that tell me?  That they are going to be black?
This is FACT sir, I am not making this up in my head.  Do you have evidence to refute this?  If so, why are we even arguing about this?  Reason: you automatically assume that I equate Black = Uncivilized criminals.  This I don&#039;t, I have put much thought into this.  Even though all the evidence before me suggest that there is a strong link between the two, I do not make that connection.  However, what will the average American think?  How will the average person who goes about their day to day life think when they see a large prison population full of Blacks?  How will the average person feel when the majority of their encounters with this group of people have been neutral, or bad.  Do you know why I think we have a bigger problem then some white southern racist?  It is not because I think we need to focus on black crime.  It is CRIME that is a threat, or moral degradation which ever you prefer.  Now, how do you approach any problem that is on a scale as big as our country?  I am not going to even try to explain that problem to you, the level of detail that I will have to go into to explain everything to you so that you do not misunderstand what I am saying would be obsurd and counterproductive.  If my instincts are correct, I am already talking on deaf ears.  But heres another lesson if you are willing to listen, in science, a law must explain 100% of what is observe in real life.  100%, not 99.9999%, if a billion experiments were made and I found 1 exception out of a billion test, I don&#039;t call it a day and say, oh well, it&#039;s good enough...I throw out the entire theory.  In an ideal world, every human being will be as rational and self-aware of their nature as to take time and think before acting on their basic instincts and make a choice base on reason, tempered by love and carried out in humility.  However, we do not live in that world, our very environments dictates how rational a human being can be (do you understand?).  Our minds are tied to our bodies.  Now, I take you back to an earlier comment made by someone about human progress, it says something along the lines of progress as a group.  We make progress as a group, otherwise nothing gets done.

In Post 31,

You tell me that I do not do my research into who writes the materials.  I agree, I do not know who wrote those materials, and I still don&#039;t.  You found in your google search that Jared Taylor is the head of the organization.  So what? Does that mean that the information is wrong?  You attacked the man, what do you say of the evidence?  I do not have time to do this research myself, I do not have access to FBI databases and materials, although I could do this myself, what would that tell me?  Exactly what I already know, would it not?  I disagree with Mr. Taylor&#039;s analysis base on what wiki tells me, but before I talk to him; I will reserve my opinion of the man.  If this was a debate, at this particular point, I would be ahead of you Ouch.  I give evidence and reason, you give me neat predictable responses that are little more than personal attacks base on your own emotions.  I have been a little emotional in my responses to your map, but only because I think It is enormously unfair to my fellow Americans that you lump them all into your racist/nonracist map.  Forgive me if I sound harsh or vain in any way.  I am human after all.  If you insist on still attacking me, instead of rationally debating my points, consider this my last response.  I will accept what I cannot change and move on.  It would be much easier if I can SHOW you what I mean, but I cannot, but you must rest assure that I understand all too well what you mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch, I never made the connection that Blacks automatically makes you Dangerous.  I repeat, I have NEVER said that.  You are speaking from emotions, and your maps shows it, though base on your experience, ignores the very human experience that everyday people go through.  I made a mistake in trying to be simple in my explanation to you.  For that we have come to this regretful misunderstanding, from this point on I will show you what I truly mean by I CANNOT EXPLAIN IT TO YOU IN WORDS ALONE.  Do you think I am some racist who reads an article, see the simple superficial logic in it and declares that Blacks = Bad.  Fine, if you want to attack me base on that, attack my logic, attack my evidence, attack my reasoning.  You have attack my evidence once, reread my response after that, I have told you that I will throw that out for the sake of our discussion.  But I can easily bring in facts; which anyone will not disagree with.  If I was to look at the FBI database for the nation, what will that statistics tell me: that the majority of the violent crime offenders are males?</p>
<p>Now, if I was to query a search on which race of people statistically commits a greater percentage of crime, what would that tell me?  That they are going to be black?<br />
This is FACT sir, I am not making this up in my head.  Do you have evidence to refute this?  If so, why are we even arguing about this?  Reason: you automatically assume that I equate Black = Uncivilized criminals.  This I don&#8217;t, I have put much thought into this.  Even though all the evidence before me suggest that there is a strong link between the two, I do not make that connection.  However, what will the average American think?  How will the average person who goes about their day to day life think when they see a large prison population full of Blacks?  How will the average person feel when the majority of their encounters with this group of people have been neutral, or bad.  Do you know why I think we have a bigger problem then some white southern racist?  It is not because I think we need to focus on black crime.  It is CRIME that is a threat, or moral degradation which ever you prefer.  Now, how do you approach any problem that is on a scale as big as our country?  I am not going to even try to explain that problem to you, the level of detail that I will have to go into to explain everything to you so that you do not misunderstand what I am saying would be obsurd and counterproductive.  If my instincts are correct, I am already talking on deaf ears.  But heres another lesson if you are willing to listen, in science, a law must explain 100% of what is observe in real life.  100%, not 99.9999%, if a billion experiments were made and I found 1 exception out of a billion test, I don&#8217;t call it a day and say, oh well, it&#8217;s good enough&#8230;I throw out the entire theory.  In an ideal world, every human being will be as rational and self-aware of their nature as to take time and think before acting on their basic instincts and make a choice base on reason, tempered by love and carried out in humility.  However, we do not live in that world, our very environments dictates how rational a human being can be (do you understand?).  Our minds are tied to our bodies.  Now, I take you back to an earlier comment made by someone about human progress, it says something along the lines of progress as a group.  We make progress as a group, otherwise nothing gets done.</p>
<p>In Post 31,</p>
<p>You tell me that I do not do my research into who writes the materials.  I agree, I do not know who wrote those materials, and I still don&#8217;t.  You found in your google search that Jared Taylor is the head of the organization.  So what? Does that mean that the information is wrong?  You attacked the man, what do you say of the evidence?  I do not have time to do this research myself, I do not have access to FBI databases and materials, although I could do this myself, what would that tell me?  Exactly what I already know, would it not?  I disagree with Mr. Taylor&#8217;s analysis base on what wiki tells me, but before I talk to him; I will reserve my opinion of the man.  If this was a debate, at this particular point, I would be ahead of you Ouch.  I give evidence and reason, you give me neat predictable responses that are little more than personal attacks base on your own emotions.  I have been a little emotional in my responses to your map, but only because I think It is enormously unfair to my fellow Americans that you lump them all into your racist/nonracist map.  Forgive me if I sound harsh or vain in any way.  I am human after all.  If you insist on still attacking me, instead of rationally debating my points, consider this my last response.  I will accept what I cannot change and move on.  It would be much easier if I can SHOW you what I mean, but I cannot, but you must rest assure that I understand all too well what you mean.</p>
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