Comments on: Mapping Out Americas Racism http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism Navy Blog containing the musings of a retired Navy Master Chief Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:36:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Dave http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-341 Dave Thu, 08 May 2008 02:35:59 +0000 http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-341 Good work on the map. It is *close* to what I have seen. My suggested corrections: Akron/Cleveland should be pink. A thin strip from NYC directly north to Canada should be pink. Most of the rest of NY and PA should be blue, except for Ithaca, Philly, Pitt, and State College. Much of Kansas should be blue. Maybe there shouldn't be so much green along all of the pacific coast, certainly not through rural Oregon. Good work on the map. It is *close* to what I have seen. My suggested corrections: Akron/Cleveland should be pink. A thin strip from NYC directly north to Canada should be pink. Most of the rest of NY and PA should be blue, except for Ithaca, Philly, Pitt, and State College. Much of Kansas should be blue. Maybe there shouldn’t be so much green along all of the pacific coast, certainly not through rural Oregon.

]]> By: Ouch http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-215 Ouch Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:46:08 +0000 http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-215 @Elayne, Thank you for visiting. I have Hawaii in pink not green mainly for the issues you describe. @Elayne,

Thank you for visiting. I have Hawaii in pink not green mainly for the issues you describe.

]]> By: elayne http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-214 elayne Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:56:49 +0000 http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-214 I live in the Aloha state, which you showed in the map as "not an issue", however, that is partially inaccurate. The pure Hawaiians generally are upset that all the other races have taken over their land - and rightfully so. They have been trodden down - lowest paid, unhealthiest, etc. Being a "newcomer" to Hawaii, I have felt quite a bit of racism unfortunately, but I try to understand why the people feel that way and have studied to know what actually happened. They are similar to the American Indians who were forced of their lands and have lost so much because someone else came in and felt it was their right to own the land. Injustices were done and it still lives on in their hearts. We need to learn to forgive and be tolerant of others. I live in the Aloha state, which you showed in the map as “not an issue”, however, that is partially inaccurate. The pure Hawaiians generally are upset that all the other races have taken over their land - and rightfully so. They have been trodden down - lowest paid, unhealthiest, etc. Being a “newcomer” to Hawaii, I have felt quite a bit of racism unfortunately, but I try to understand why the people feel that way and have studied to know what actually happened. They are similar to the American Indians who were forced of their lands and have lost so much because someone else came in and felt it was their right to own the land. Injustices were done and it still lives on in their hearts. We need to learn to forgive and be tolerant of others.

]]> By: Ouch http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-195 Ouch Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:24:49 +0000 http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-195 "If this was a debate, at this particular point, I would be ahead of you Ouch." In some parts of the country this would be harder or even impossible ONLY because you are Asian. And that is what I have a big problem with. That make my position a little more clear? "I am very much privy to your point of view. I used to hold the same views as you. I hope you might at least read the first link before responding to me." In your first post you implied you changed your views because of the writings of the first paper which was published in a white separatist periodical. Believing in the conclusions written in that publication would be like molding your life after the book Mein Kampf. "If you insist on still attacking me, instead of rationally debating my points, consider this my last response." Thank you for your input. “If this was a debate, at this particular point, I would be ahead of you Ouch.”

In some parts of the country this would be harder or even impossible ONLY because you are Asian. And that is what I have a big problem with. That make my position a little more clear?

“I am very much privy to your point of view. I used to hold the same views as you. I hope you might at least read the first link before responding to me.”

In your first post you implied you changed your views because of the writings of the first paper which was published in a white separatist periodical. Believing in the conclusions written in that publication would be like molding your life after the book Mein Kampf.

“If you insist on still attacking me, instead of rationally debating my points, consider this my last response.”

Thank you for your input.

]]> By: Luke http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-193 Luke Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:45:50 +0000 http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-193 Ouch, I never made the connection that Blacks automatically makes you Dangerous. I repeat, I have NEVER said that. You are speaking from emotions, and your maps shows it, though base on your experience, ignores the very human experience that everyday people go through. I made a mistake in trying to be simple in my explanation to you. For that we have come to this regretful misunderstanding, from this point on I will show you what I truly mean by I CANNOT EXPLAIN IT TO YOU IN WORDS ALONE. Do you think I am some racist who reads an article, see the simple superficial logic in it and declares that Blacks = Bad. Fine, if you want to attack me base on that, attack my logic, attack my evidence, attack my reasoning. You have attack my evidence once, reread my response after that, I have told you that I will throw that out for the sake of our discussion. But I can easily bring in facts; which anyone will not disagree with. If I was to look at the FBI database for the nation, what will that statistics tell me: that the majority of the violent crime offenders are males? Now, if I was to query a search on which race of people statistically commits a greater percentage of crime, what would that tell me? That they are going to be black? This is FACT sir, I am not making this up in my head. Do you have evidence to refute this? If so, why are we even arguing about this? Reason: you automatically assume that I equate Black = Uncivilized criminals. This I don't, I have put much thought into this. Even though all the evidence before me suggest that there is a strong link between the two, I do not make that connection. However, what will the average American think? How will the average person who goes about their day to day life think when they see a large prison population full of Blacks? How will the average person feel when the majority of their encounters with this group of people have been neutral, or bad. Do you know why I think we have a bigger problem then some white southern racist? It is not because I think we need to focus on black crime. It is CRIME that is a threat, or moral degradation which ever you prefer. Now, how do you approach any problem that is on a scale as big as our country? I am not going to even try to explain that problem to you, the level of detail that I will have to go into to explain everything to you so that you do not misunderstand what I am saying would be obsurd and counterproductive. If my instincts are correct, I am already talking on deaf ears. But heres another lesson if you are willing to listen, in science, a law must explain 100% of what is observe in real life. 100%, not 99.9999%, if a billion experiments were made and I found 1 exception out of a billion test, I don't call it a day and say, oh well, it's good enough...I throw out the entire theory. In an ideal world, every human being will be as rational and self-aware of their nature as to take time and think before acting on their basic instincts and make a choice base on reason, tempered by love and carried out in humility. However, we do not live in that world, our very environments dictates how rational a human being can be (do you understand?). Our minds are tied to our bodies. Now, I take you back to an earlier comment made by someone about human progress, it says something along the lines of progress as a group. We make progress as a group, otherwise nothing gets done. In Post 31, You tell me that I do not do my research into who writes the materials. I agree, I do not know who wrote those materials, and I still don't. You found in your google search that Jared Taylor is the head of the organization. So what? Does that mean that the information is wrong? You attacked the man, what do you say of the evidence? I do not have time to do this research myself, I do not have access to FBI databases and materials, although I could do this myself, what would that tell me? Exactly what I already know, would it not? I disagree with Mr. Taylor's analysis base on what wiki tells me, but before I talk to him; I will reserve my opinion of the man. If this was a debate, at this particular point, I would be ahead of you Ouch. I give evidence and reason, you give me neat predictable responses that are little more than personal attacks base on your own emotions. I have been a little emotional in my responses to your map, but only because I think It is enormously unfair to my fellow Americans that you lump them all into your racist/nonracist map. Forgive me if I sound harsh or vain in any way. I am human after all. If you insist on still attacking me, instead of rationally debating my points, consider this my last response. I will accept what I cannot change and move on. It would be much easier if I can SHOW you what I mean, but I cannot, but you must rest assure that I understand all too well what you mean. Ouch, I never made the connection that Blacks automatically makes you Dangerous. I repeat, I have NEVER said that. You are speaking from emotions, and your maps shows it, though base on your experience, ignores the very human experience that everyday people go through. I made a mistake in trying to be simple in my explanation to you. For that we have come to this regretful misunderstanding, from this point on I will show you what I truly mean by I CANNOT EXPLAIN IT TO YOU IN WORDS ALONE. Do you think I am some racist who reads an article, see the simple superficial logic in it and declares that Blacks = Bad. Fine, if you want to attack me base on that, attack my logic, attack my evidence, attack my reasoning. You have attack my evidence once, reread my response after that, I have told you that I will throw that out for the sake of our discussion. But I can easily bring in facts; which anyone will not disagree with. If I was to look at the FBI database for the nation, what will that statistics tell me: that the majority of the violent crime offenders are males?

Now, if I was to query a search on which race of people statistically commits a greater percentage of crime, what would that tell me? That they are going to be black?
This is FACT sir, I am not making this up in my head. Do you have evidence to refute this? If so, why are we even arguing about this? Reason: you automatically assume that I equate Black = Uncivilized criminals. This I don’t, I have put much thought into this. Even though all the evidence before me suggest that there is a strong link between the two, I do not make that connection. However, what will the average American think? How will the average person who goes about their day to day life think when they see a large prison population full of Blacks? How will the average person feel when the majority of their encounters with this group of people have been neutral, or bad. Do you know why I think we have a bigger problem then some white southern racist? It is not because I think we need to focus on black crime. It is CRIME that is a threat, or moral degradation which ever you prefer. Now, how do you approach any problem that is on a scale as big as our country? I am not going to even try to explain that problem to you, the level of detail that I will have to go into to explain everything to you so that you do not misunderstand what I am saying would be obsurd and counterproductive. If my instincts are correct, I am already talking on deaf ears. But heres another lesson if you are willing to listen, in science, a law must explain 100% of what is observe in real life. 100%, not 99.9999%, if a billion experiments were made and I found 1 exception out of a billion test, I don’t call it a day and say, oh well, it’s good enough…I throw out the entire theory. In an ideal world, every human being will be as rational and self-aware of their nature as to take time and think before acting on their basic instincts and make a choice base on reason, tempered by love and carried out in humility. However, we do not live in that world, our very environments dictates how rational a human being can be (do you understand?). Our minds are tied to our bodies. Now, I take you back to an earlier comment made by someone about human progress, it says something along the lines of progress as a group. We make progress as a group, otherwise nothing gets done.

In Post 31,

You tell me that I do not do my research into who writes the materials. I agree, I do not know who wrote those materials, and I still don’t. You found in your google search that Jared Taylor is the head of the organization. So what? Does that mean that the information is wrong? You attacked the man, what do you say of the evidence? I do not have time to do this research myself, I do not have access to FBI databases and materials, although I could do this myself, what would that tell me? Exactly what I already know, would it not? I disagree with Mr. Taylor’s analysis base on what wiki tells me, but before I talk to him; I will reserve my opinion of the man. If this was a debate, at this particular point, I would be ahead of you Ouch. I give evidence and reason, you give me neat predictable responses that are little more than personal attacks base on your own emotions. I have been a little emotional in my responses to your map, but only because I think It is enormously unfair to my fellow Americans that you lump them all into your racist/nonracist map. Forgive me if I sound harsh or vain in any way. I am human after all. If you insist on still attacking me, instead of rationally debating my points, consider this my last response. I will accept what I cannot change and move on. It would be much easier if I can SHOW you what I mean, but I cannot, but you must rest assure that I understand all too well what you mean.

]]> By: Race http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-189 Race Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:40:00 +0000 http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-189 At Ouch and Luke: Ouch. this is the single least accurate map i have ever seen. First of all, you are basing your views of an entire area based on the actions of just one or two people.I live in New York, one of the blue areas on your map. I am half black, and half white (yes, my parents named me Race). I have never encountered ANY sort of racism in this or any of the other blue areas I've visited. I, like you have been to Panama city, but i founnd it the same as NY. Yes, i have overheard black people saying the cliche phrase "the white man is keeping me down". this phrase is not about saying that white people are evil. when they refer to "the white man" they are referring to the people in economic and political power, who are almost enitrely white. It's not racist to say the politician are white, because they mostly are. It's also not racist to say that gangsters are blakc (because most of them are, in america at least), but it IS racist to say taht black people are gangsters, just as its racist to say that white people are rich greedy politicians. this is because the later two of these comments are making generalizations based on race. talking about race is not racist. As much as you want issues based on race to magically dissapear, they still exist. Just like to believe that absolute equality would solve anything. It's not racism that causes a high percentage of black Americans to live in poverty. it's economics. until you realize that you can't blame America's problem on racism, you will never make any sense. Like other's ahve said, racism goes two ways. blacks hate whites as much as its the otehr way around. However, to say that baclks fight racism with violence is racist in itself. “Diversity is not about counting heads, it is about making heads count!” no. to even say that diversity is about anything is to say taht ahving multiple races rather than just one is better, or worse. The problem, as luke said, is in CULTURE, not RACE. educated yourself. Also you ARE a white man. white is an adjective, and if you truely believe in what you say, it means no more than being a white man with blonde hair or brown hair. at luke: while i agree with most of your points, i disagree with how you present them. First of all, you soldier analogy is awful. nwhat is the ammo supposed to represent? hostile thoughts? Also, to say taht white racist southerners are not a threat, DOES imply that that blacks are a threat. yes, i understand that you mean to say that from history we can see that blacks riot when they perform acts of racial hate, but so do white southerners. read up on the early KKK. While i believe that you both are using way too much words to say a simple point, kudos to both of you. Luke, you are proof that the 'stupid-racist-christian' stereotype isnt true. Ouch, i admire you for standing your ground for so long even though everyone disagrees with you. good job. since i probably wont be checking back on this post for a wile, you can contact me at paleoboy1993@aol.com: my email address. At Ouch and Luke:

Ouch. this is the single least accurate map i have ever seen. First of all, you are basing your views of an entire area based on the actions of just one or two people.I live in New York, one of the blue areas on your map. I am half black, and half white (yes, my parents named me Race). I have never encountered ANY sort of racism in this or any of the other blue areas I’ve visited. I, like you have been to Panama city, but i founnd it the same as NY. Yes, i have overheard black people saying the cliche phrase “the white man is keeping me down”. this phrase is not about saying that white people are evil. when they refer to “the white man” they are referring to the people in economic and political power, who are almost enitrely white. It’s not racist to say the politician are white, because they mostly are. It’s also not racist to say that gangsters are blakc (because most of them are, in america at least), but it IS racist to say taht black people are gangsters, just as its racist to say that white people are rich greedy politicians. this is because the later two of these comments are making generalizations based on race. talking about race is not racist. As much as you want issues based on race to magically dissapear, they still exist. Just like to believe that absolute equality would solve anything. It’s not racism that causes a high percentage of black Americans to live in poverty. it’s economics. until you realize that you can’t blame America’s problem on racism, you will never make any sense. Like other’s ahve said, racism goes two ways. blacks hate whites as much as its the otehr way around. However, to say that baclks fight racism with violence is racist in itself.
“Diversity is not about counting heads, it is about making heads count!” no. to even say that diversity is about anything is to say taht ahving multiple races rather than just one is better, or worse. The problem, as luke said, is in CULTURE, not RACE. educated yourself. Also you ARE a white man. white is an adjective, and if you truely believe in what you say, it means no more than being a white man with blonde hair or brown hair.

at luke: while i agree with most of your points, i disagree with how you present them. First of all, you soldier analogy is awful. nwhat is the ammo supposed to represent? hostile thoughts? Also, to say taht white racist southerners are not a threat, DOES imply that that blacks are a threat. yes, i understand that you mean to say that from history we can see that blacks riot when they perform acts of racial hate, but so do white southerners. read up on the early KKK.

While i believe that you both are using way too much words to say a simple point, kudos to both of you. Luke, you are proof that the ’stupid-racist-christian’ stereotype isnt true. Ouch, i admire you for standing your ground for so long even though everyone disagrees with you. good job.

since i probably wont be checking back on this post for a wile, you can contact me at paleoboy1993@aol.com: my email address.

]]> By: Ouch http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-181 Ouch Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:28:23 +0000 http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-181 I will never agree that a race, any race, should be singled out as a threat. Individuals make choices - it is the individuals who should be held accountable. "I am not as uninformed as you might think. My views are base on reality." In comment number 23 you informed all of us on your ignorance of the subject. In no way have you in a day been able to increase your knowledge to a point where an intelligent conversation could continue. You are only now spewing information you think is credible - it is a little disturbing that you are willing to form and maintain an opinion about about an entire race of people and not do the research into who is actually writing the material. If you did know from whom you were getting the information from then you have been disingenuous further deteriorating your own credibility. I will never agree that a race, any race, should be singled out as a threat. Individuals make choices - it is the individuals who should be held accountable.

“I am not as uninformed as you might think. My views are base on reality.”

In comment number 23 you informed all of us on your ignorance of the subject. In no way have you in a day been able to increase your knowledge to a point where an intelligent conversation could continue. You are only now spewing information you think is credible - it is a little disturbing that you are willing to form and maintain an opinion about about an entire race of people and not do the research into who is actually writing the material. If you did know from whom you were getting the information from then you have been disingenuous further deteriorating your own credibility.

]]> By: Luke http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-179 Luke Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:06:16 +0000 http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-179 What a wonderful world it could be if we all got along. I will be busy the next two day and will probably not have time to respond to you until Sunday. In the mean while, I hope you don't take offense to anything I say. Our goals are the same. I won't try to convince you furthermore. I only hope that you will be tireless in your stand against racism every where, tempered by the wisdom that seeks truth in everyday reality that you experience. God Bless "But now God hath thus ordered it, that we may learn to bear one another's burden; for no man is without fault; no man but hath his burden; no man sufficient of himself; no man wise enough of himself; but we ought to bear with one another, comfort one another, help, instruct, and admonish one another. Occasions of adversity best discover how great virtue or strength each one hath. For occasions do not make a man frail, but they show what he is" Thomas Kempis (1380-1471) The Imitation of Christ What a wonderful world it could be if we all got along.

I will be busy the next two day and will probably not have time to respond to you until Sunday.

In the mean while,

I hope you don’t take offense to anything I say. Our goals are the same. I won’t try to convince you furthermore. I only hope that you will be tireless in your stand against racism every where, tempered by the wisdom that seeks truth in everyday reality that you experience.

God Bless

“But now God hath thus ordered it, that we may learn to bear one another’s burden; for no man is without fault; no man but hath his burden; no man sufficient of himself; no man wise enough of himself; but we ought to bear with one another, comfort one another, help, instruct, and admonish one another.
Occasions of adversity best discover how great virtue or strength each one hath.
For occasions do not make a man frail, but they show what he is”

Thomas Kempis (1380-1471)

The Imitation of Christ

]]> By: Luke http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-178 Luke Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:28:51 +0000 http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-178 You dismiss Fred too easily, I don't think an idiot can write with the level of insight he provides. Read a few more of his article and form your own opinion about the man, instead of dismissing him outright. http://www.fredoneverything.net/Mayonnaise.shtml Jared Taylor, if he does deny the holocaust, then shame on him. I do not know enough from Wiki's article to make any honest assessment of the man. If his credibility is suspect to you then I do not blame you for ignoring him. I read the points he makes and agree or disagree base on what I know of human nature. Here are his credentials on Wiki. "Samuel Jared Taylor (b. 1951) of Oakton, Virginia, is an American journalist and an advocate of racialist theories to explain the sociological and economic problems associated with non-whites, particularly blacks, in Western countries. [1] Taylor is the editor of American Renaissance, a journal that addresses issues of race, immigration and their impact on societies in which whites co-exist with non-whites. He is the president of the parent organization, New Century Foundation, and a former director of the National Policy Institute, a Washington-based think tank. He is a former member of the advisory board of Occidental Quarterly. Born to missionary parents in Japan, Taylor lived in that country until he was 16 years old. He graduated from Yale University in 1973 with a BA in Philosophy, and graduated from Institut d'Etudes Politiques de Paris (Sciences Po) in 1978 with a MA in International economics. Taylor speaks fluent English, Japanese and French. In the 1980s, Taylor was West Coast editor of PC Magazine and a consultant before founding the American Renaissance periodical in 1990. Taylor has taught Japanese to summer school students at Harvard University." Mr. Taylor seems to be taking the easy way out in trying to deal with race relations by making it a non-issue, but there are hints of truths in what he is advocating that makes sense to me. In dealing with human relations, homogeneity makes social harmony much much easier. Social harmony can be achieved in other ways: through understanding (what you understand, you do not fear); which require intelligence, insight, willingness to learn, empathy, and a host of other qualities (I rate intelligence and empathy highly in this regard). When I speak of homogeneity, there are many forms of homogeneity. Just look at the way people have divided themselves in this country between: Rich/poor, Black/White, educated/uneducated and even within these sets are subsets and even further subsets. Now as yourself this, if human beings keep dividing themselves into group after group after group, what are the chances that we will ever get along so long as we feel loyalty to one group or another? And what is there to hold us human beings together? Simple. There is a single, most powerful bond of homogeneity than any of the above. Can you guess what it is? A COMMON GOAL: where we are closest to acting as a single mind. Ever wonder how a nation that seems as divided as ours in peace time, can come together like clockwork in extreme times: like a war or terrorist attacks? And, have you ever wondered how easily people can be divided by very petty things? It all comes down to our very simple human nature. You can practically write a book on how the nation came together after December 7th, 1941 and a small paperback on how it came together after 9/11. Through this, I hope you look with a new light on how powerful a force homogeneity is to our human nature. Now to crime. Three words comes to mind. Opportunity, Opportunity, Opportunity. There is much to be said on this topic. Some ideas you yourself might dismiss outright, because you may consider them taboo or just does not line up with your ideal world view. In order to have an intelligent conversation about this topic, you must learn to open your mind to new ideas and consider them base on their merit, and actually take time to consider them and discuss it openly without shying away from it because your views might change somehow if you accept them. whether you choose to ignore them after you have honestly considered them is fine. I will certainly as that you explain your reasoning carefully to me and I will certainly share my reasoning with you. I am not as uninformed as you might think. My views are base on reality. I will try to give more information that is not tainted by the views of racist. You however, must not dismiss every view presented without either debunking it's reasoning, or countering the reliability of the source (what you just did). I will now try to provide you with data that we can both agree on is without biase. This is still a very one sided discussion. You have just nullified those links I provided as evidence, you still need to nullify my reasoning. My assertion is still there. Where are the immediate threats? Is it the white southern racist? (the ranks of which we might have to add Mr. Jared Taylor to = ) I'm not sure yet = ) Notice that when I say white southern racist. You understood completely what I meant. Or at least you got enough to realize that I was not accusing every White southern man, woman and child of racism. Here are a few points I hope we can agree on. -Large percentage of criminals are Blacks right? Do you agree? -am I saying that all blacks are criminals? NO. If you have paid attention to what I wrote you would have known that. This so far is very much a one sided discussion. My analysis of the situation is much more complex than I can hope to explain to you (i am not that articulate). Please feel free to correct me if you see any failure of logic. Also, do keep in mind that I keep things simple because my thoughts will take up endless pages and I don't think that would be productive in anyway. feel free to email me if you want to discuss this further, or rip my arguments to shreds. I am always willing to learn. scutum.fidei@gmail.com So far, I'm disappointed that this discussion has been so one sided. You dismiss Fred too easily, I don’t think an idiot can write with the level of insight he provides.

Read a few more of his article and form your own opinion about the man, instead of dismissing him outright.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Mayonnaise.shtml

Jared Taylor, if he does deny the holocaust, then shame on him. I do not know enough from Wiki’s article to make any honest assessment of the man. If his credibility is suspect to you then I do not blame you for ignoring him. I read the points he makes and agree or disagree base on what I know of human nature. Here are his credentials on Wiki.

“Samuel Jared Taylor (b. 1951) of Oakton, Virginia, is an American journalist and an advocate of racialist theories to explain the sociological and economic problems associated with non-whites, particularly blacks, in Western countries. [1] Taylor is the editor of American Renaissance, a journal that addresses issues of race, immigration and their impact on societies in which whites co-exist with non-whites. He is the president of the parent organization, New Century Foundation, and a former director of the National Policy Institute, a Washington-based think tank. He is a former member of the advisory board of Occidental Quarterly.

Born to missionary parents in Japan, Taylor lived in that country until he was 16 years old. He graduated from Yale University in 1973 with a BA in Philosophy, and graduated from Institut d’Etudes Politiques de Paris (Sciences Po) in 1978 with a MA in International economics. Taylor speaks fluent English, Japanese and French. In the 1980s, Taylor was West Coast editor of PC Magazine and a consultant before founding the American Renaissance periodical in 1990. Taylor has taught Japanese to summer school students at Harvard University.”

Mr. Taylor seems to be taking the easy way out in trying to deal with race relations by making it a non-issue, but there are hints of truths in what he is advocating that makes sense to me.

In dealing with human relations, homogeneity makes social harmony much much easier. Social harmony can be achieved in other ways: through understanding (what you understand, you do not fear); which require intelligence, insight, willingness to learn, empathy, and a host of other qualities (I rate intelligence and empathy highly in this regard).

When I speak of homogeneity, there are many forms of homogeneity. Just look at the way people have divided themselves in this country between: Rich/poor, Black/White, educated/uneducated and even within these sets are subsets and even further subsets. Now as yourself this, if human beings keep dividing themselves into group after group after group, what are the chances that we will ever get along so long as we feel loyalty to one group or another? And what is there to hold us human beings together?

Simple. There is a single, most powerful bond of homogeneity than any of the above. Can you guess what it is?

A COMMON GOAL: where we are closest to acting as a single mind.

Ever wonder how a nation that seems as divided as ours in peace time, can come together like clockwork in extreme times: like a war or terrorist attacks? And, have you ever wondered how easily people can be divided by very petty things? It all comes down to our very simple human nature.

You can practically write a book on how the nation came together after December 7th, 1941 and a small paperback on how it came together after 9/11.

Through this, I hope you look with a new light on how powerful a force homogeneity is to our human nature.

Now to crime.

Three words comes to mind.

Opportunity, Opportunity, Opportunity.

There is much to be said on this topic. Some ideas you yourself might dismiss outright, because you may consider them taboo or just does not line up with your ideal world view. In order to have an intelligent conversation about this topic, you must learn to open your mind to new ideas and consider them base on their merit, and actually take time to consider them and discuss it openly without shying away from it because your views might change somehow if you accept them. whether you choose to ignore them after you have honestly considered them is fine. I will certainly as that you explain your reasoning carefully to me and I will certainly share my reasoning with you.

I am not as uninformed as you might think.

My views are base on reality.

I will try to give more information that is not tainted by the views of racist. You however, must not dismiss every view presented without either debunking it’s reasoning, or countering the reliability of the source (what you just did). I will now try to provide you with data that we can both agree on is without biase.

This is still a very one sided discussion.

You have just nullified those links I provided as evidence, you still need to nullify my reasoning.

My assertion is still there.

Where are the immediate threats?

Is it the white southern racist? (the ranks of which we might have to add Mr. Jared Taylor to = ) I’m not sure yet = )

Notice that when I say white southern racist. You understood completely what I meant. Or at least you got enough to realize that I was not accusing every White southern man, woman and child of racism. Here are a few points I hope we can agree on.

-Large percentage of criminals are Blacks right? Do you agree?
-am I saying that all blacks are criminals? NO. If you have paid attention to what I wrote you would have known that.

This so far is very much a one sided discussion.

My analysis of the situation is much more complex than I can hope to explain to you (i am not that articulate).

Please feel free to correct me if you see any failure of logic. Also, do keep in mind that I keep things simple because my thoughts will take up endless pages and I don’t think that would be productive in anyway.

feel free to email me if you want to discuss this further, or rip my arguments to shreds. I am always willing to learn.

scutum.fidei@gmail.com

So far, I’m disappointed that this discussion has been so one sided.

]]> By: Ouch http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-177 Ouch Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:08:33 +0000 http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2007/11/27/mapping-out-americas-racism#comment-177 @Luke Now I have some links for you. Your first link is published in a white separatist periodical. The head guy Jared Taylor denies the Holocaust even happened. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Century_Foundation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Taylor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Renaissance_%28magazine%29 I do hope you are not basing your beliefs of the misinformation and misguided conclusions of these idiots. They are some of the people I am talking about that "horde and exclude". It is they that need to be purged. [EDIT]And Fred Reed makes a living at writing to be offensive.[EDIT] @Luke
Now I have some links for you. Your first link is published in a white separatist periodical. The head guy Jared Taylor denies the Holocaust even happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Century_Foundation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Taylor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Renaissance_%28magazine%29

I do hope you are not basing your beliefs of the misinformation and misguided conclusions of these idiots. They are some of the people I am talking about that “horde and exclude”. It is they that need to be purged.

[EDIT]And Fred Reed makes a living at writing to be offensive.[EDIT]

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