US Map of Racism

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• Got to appreciate the effort and the idea, but it all seems a little arbitrary to me. In the case of the your N. Dakota-S. Dakota-W. Minnesota matrix, I think it may have more to do with almost entirely white populations. The census for Fargo has the white population at roughly 94%. So out of roughly 90,600 people in Fargo all of 900 are black… Just an example.

  Comment by chuddy — November 28, 2007 @ 12:01 am

• chuddy, Thanks for the reply.

  No doubt those areas have a lower minority population but the many people I came into contact with didn’t seem predisposed to wanted to distrust people of color. I lived in Iceland for almost 3 years, the Icelandic population is white. For years the US military had a base in Keflavik and for years, up to late 70’s early 80’s Blacks where not allowed to be stationed there - why this was the case I do not know. What I do know is that when Black Airmen and Sailors were allowed to reside in Iceland the Icelandic people greeted them with open arms. Any racist thoughts they may have had were do, I think, to the impression given to them by movies, literature and other forms of media produced in the US.

  We as a nation and world are weaker than we could be, each person must make a choice to just stop judging people because of the pigments in their skin.

  I am not a white man, I am a man that happens to be white, color should not define me nor anyone else.

  Comment by Ouch — November 28, 2007 @ 12:18 am

• I find your perspective interesting. I spent 15 years in the USN, spent time in just about every state in the union, particularly on the West and East Coasts. I’ve seen places like Watts, Compton, Norwalk and other heavily black or chicano areas and found them to be very racist. I mean beyond just talking about race as an issue. These are areas you won’t find much help in if you’re white and broken down 10 pm on a Friday night.

  I’ve also lived in New York and found it to be very accepting of all races since it is the melting pot. There are areas in every state in the union that is either not racist on the one extreme or very racist on the other. I, personally, found Europe and Asia to be more accepting than the US when it comes to race. So, with that in mind, I’ll say that I like your site but disagree with your findings. And I mean that in a respectful way, certainly not in a condescending one.

  Comment by MidniteRider — November 28, 2007 @ 1:51 am

• In a round-about way the creator of the map MAY be “racist” in his own way.

  I betcha’ the “attitude” behind the map is whites disliking blacks.

  Well, it’s a two-way street.

  Also, how about the anti-Anglo attitudes I lived with constantly in California in areas where the Chicanos were a majority?

  I have been shot at and beaten by thugs, Chicano thugs, who despised Anglos (whites).

  It IS most irksome when those attacking you were most likely illegal aliens.

  Comment by Obbop — November 28, 2007 @ 2:17 am

• Why is Santa Barbara, California colored in blue? You’ve got to be kidding.

  Comment by Ryan — November 28, 2007 @ 2:58 am

• Have you ever actually been to Utah/Idaho?

  Racism was an offical part of the Mormon religion right up until they started getting sued for it in the 70s.

  Comment by Ugly American — November 28, 2007 @ 4:06 am

• Wow, what a horrible idea.

  I live in the green area but this map should not be used for anything other than learning where each state is located.

  Lumping everyone, based on some, into a specific area is a really bad idea.

  Comment by Ignorant Map — November 28, 2007 @ 4:08 am

• This is incredibly inaccurate.

  Comment by diggy d — November 28, 2007 @ 4:55 am

• i live in memphis too and i agree this IS the single most racist city in the country. i don’t just mean white racism towards blacks, there is just as much black racism against whites and even other blacks. i applaud you and agree wholeheartedly with you. sometimes we get so caught up in the idea of sticking to our own “community” that we lose sight of the larger community we separate from to do so.

  Comment by reverend carter — November 28, 2007 @ 5:12 am

• Racism cuts both ways.

  [EDIT]Links added to a later comment.[EDIT]

  I am too tired right now and so will not be writing too extensively on my point of view. However, I am very much privy to your point of view. I used to hold the same views as you. I hope you might at least read the first link before responding to me. You are very much right about how the media distorts our perspectives, but not in the way you might think. Here is a hypothetical situation I want to put forth though. If a white celebrity/personality/politician were to say something racist (think about Don Imus, I’m still a little confused as to why his comment was racist) how long before every media outlet in the country airs it? nanoseconds? even quicker? Now, ask yourself this question, If you are black, does the media even peak if you overtly call for the genocide of whites? And btw, I am asian and living in the bay area(san jose). I look forward to a lively discussion, if you are up for it.

  Comment by Luke — November 28, 2007 @ 5:21 am

• Replying to Ouch, I’ve heard that the Icelandic government actually keeps track of all foreigners and people of other races and nationalities can’t mix with the inhabitants because of their common ancestry. The residents of Iceland share the same genetics that their ancestors did when they first settled it. Because of the isolation of the genes, research on genetic diseases could be conducted easily.

  Basically, people aren’t allowed (or didn’t used to be allowed) to have a child with an Icelander because it would offset the genetic isolation.

  Comment by somersault — November 28, 2007 @ 5:48 am

• Do you want everyone to be individuals or to you want them to conform to the team? Can’t have both, otherwise you just have mediocrity.

  Comment by wigger — November 28, 2007 @ 8:16 am

• This is so arbitrary that it’s a disservice to most of your fellow countrymen.

  Comment by Mike Green — November 28, 2007 @ 8:41 am

• @Mike Green - Not sure how raising this issue is a disservice.

  Racism exists toward and by every race in every area. No matter if you live in a blue, green, pink, yellow or poke-a-dot area - don’t participate in it nor tolerate it. “Diversity is not about counting heads, it is about making heads count!”

  Comment by Ouch — November 28, 2007 @ 9:18 am

• It is a disservice because the map make it seems that the majority of Americans are racist. Anyone with eyes to see and ears to listen will tell you that this is false according to their day to day experience.

  “racism exists towards and by every race in every area”

  Not according to your map. Apparently you seem to have the idea that you have to be white in order to be a racist.

  “Diversity is not about counting heads, it is about making heads count!”

  Did you actually think about that for a second before trotting it out like some kind of trump card.

  http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=170252

  “almost 70% of black of African-American children are born out of wedlock, according to recently released data from the National Center for Health Statistics, a Maryland-based agency affiliated with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”

  When nearly 70% of children born out of wedlock, it does not matter what race you are. The recipe is for social meltdown. Look at the author, does she look white to you? Your sanctimonious assertions neglects the truth in the most blatant fashions. In doing so, you act out of ignorance when you assert that the majority of Americans are racist. Instead of using reason and logic, you trot out meaningless quotes because you are too close-minded to even consider any other view besides yours.

  “Demographics is destiny”

  remember that, and educate yourself, you are not as smart as you think.

  Comment by Luke — November 28, 2007 @ 12:23 pm

• @Luke
  “It is a disservice because the map make it seems that the majority of Americans are racist. Anyone with eyes to see and ears to listen will tell you that this is false according to their day to day experience.”

  I think it is human nature to judge people in some way. A lot of people choose race as one of the criteria when making a judgment/impression. I find that there are different parts of the nation where the race criteria is used more often than in other areas.

  I do not understand the point of the article you linked to. My question is, how did one “demographic” end up with 70% of the children being born out of wedlock? I do think it is due to the color of their skin but NOT BECAUSE of the color of their skin. I do think we as a nation would not have this example if race wasn’t since the beginning of time a criteria used when making judgments/impressions of others.

  You are right, I am not that smart. I will always strive at increasing my level of knowledge.

  Comment by Ouch — November 28, 2007 @ 1:18 pm

• This does deserve its own comment. The phrase “Diversity is not about counting heads, it is about making heads count!” is a quote I took from a seminar I attended while in the Navy by Dr. Betances of Souder, Betances & Associates, Inc. http://www.betances.com/content.cfm?id=84

  Comment by Ouch — November 28, 2007 @ 2:05 pm

• The article is where the quote came from.

  “You are right, I am not that smart. I will always strive at increasing my level of knowledge.”

  be careful, you are showing signs of intelligence =D

  “I think it is human nature to judge people in some way. A lot of people choose race as one of the criteria when making a judgment/impression. I find that there are different parts of the nation where the race criteria is used more often than in other areas.”

  You are making three VERY very very generalize statements that leaves an ocean’s full of room for interpretation. What that tells me is that you are indeed confused on the subject of race relations and human nature.

  “I think it is human nature to judge people in some way.”
  Pointing out the obvious? beautiful/ugly, smart/stupid, wish/foolish, threatening/non-threatening, etc etc etc..

  “A lot of people choose race as one of the criteria when making a judgment/impression.”

  You really think people can “choose” those kinds of things? that I can choose what my impression of someone is irregardless of what my natural instincts and experience tells me. Is it race or is it culture?

  “I find that there are different parts of the nation where the race criteria is used more often than in other areas.”

  Indeed there are, but you choose to only focus on the white hate black issue. The reverse is just as dangerous or even more so to your society; yet do you even see it as an issue that should be looked at? You will find that if you look at the individual whites who show racist views, they invariably fall into the least educated segment of society and the individuals themselves do not pose any direct threats to black (disliking is one thing, but how harmful are they?). Blacks in this country is protected by Law from institutional racism, so there is no threat to them there (believe me on this). Every law enforcement agency in the country along with jesse jackson and al sharpton (i’m not going to even start on those crooks) will be descending on that institution like vultures. Not only that, but the media will have a field day with the story for weeks on end. So what does that leave you? A lot of pent up resentment from the uneducated masses sure, but are they going to break any laws? I highly doubt it. A lot of these people may be racist, but they are also patriotic Americans who will not break the law because of a myriad of things.

  I’m not sure how else I can explain what I know to be true to you without writing an entire book to tell you how I came to my conclusions. But I’ll to simplify things a bit by giving you an example.

  Think of a soldier in a densely hostile environment. He has limited Ammo and rations (resources) and must use what he has wisely. He cannot engage all targets in this unfriendly environment because though all the indigenous population hate his very presense there; they have not pose a direct threat to him and he must conserve his ammo and rations for when he truly needs it. The soldier inevitably (and instinctively) forms a threat analysis matrix in his head of who is hostile but non-combative and who is hostile and combative (will likely kill him).

  Your southern white racist are the hostile non-combative, i’ll let you figure out who the hostile combative are.

  And let me make a note, race is of minor importance, culture is supremely important.

  There is so much more to this, but I’ll leave you with that for now
  as I need to catch the light-rail for school.

  Comment by Luke — November 28, 2007 @ 6:16 pm

• Luke please explain how the black racists are more dangerous than the white ones, or any kind of racists for that matter.

  Comment by Baron — November 28, 2007 @ 6:53 pm

• @Like
  “Indeed there are, but you choose to only focus on the white hate black issue.”

  Where I did present an example of a white/black issue the focus of my article is race relations in general.

  “Pointing out the obvious? beautiful/ugly, smart/stupid, wish/foolish, threatening/non-threatening, etc etc etc..”

  Problem is, as you suggest in your Soldier scenario - Black = threat. This is wrong.

  “The reverse is just as dangerous or even more so to your society”

  So in the end it becomes a battle of will? I want our society to change.
  “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.”
  I agree, we shouldn’t have to legislate equality but as long as we horde and remain selective as to who has clear rights to the path of happiness and prosperity then legislate we must.

  “You really think people can “choose” those kinds of things? that I can choose what my impression of someone is irregardless of what my natural instincts and experience tells me. Is it race or is it culture?”
  Choosing to think a different way starts with education. Being racist is not just ignorant it is laziness. If a person does wrong that individual is who is responsible - not the entire race. It is like saying if a person runs a red light then every person of that race must also pay the same fine. Every person DESERVES to be equal ESPECIALLY in America.

  Comment by Ouch — November 28, 2007 @ 7:54 pm

• “Problem is, as you suggest in your Soldier scenario - Black = threat. This is wrong.”

  No, I suggest threat = threat. All the indigenous in that scenario are homogeneous in skin color, whether they be all black or all white, you pick the pigment. It does not matter. You fail to understand that in our particular discussion we are talking about African American culture in the United States. I inserted the note after that for a reason. Culture plays a crucial role in the character of an individual and whether or not he/she plays a functional role in society. Blacks in America suffer from dysfunctional culture (E.G. you are looked down upon for being smart) that along with economic and other factors line up to make this demographic much less likely to be able to assimilate or even participate in the wider society. Contrast this with the success of African immigrants who arrive to the United States where the second generation are upwardly mobile.

  http://anthurium.miami.edu/volume_4/issue_1/edmondson-themyth.html

  Culture is the key word. Not economic, or social status. If you consider that almost every immigrant group to the United States have come here with very little money to begin with and if you also consider that almost all have started at he bottom of the social ladder (remember the Irish, Chinese, Japanese, Southern and eastern european, and recent black immigrants from the carribean and Africa). The Irish were such an outcast group of people that even freed blacks saw themselves as a step above the Irish in New York City. The countless immigrant experience to the United States have proven again and again that ours is a society that rewards hardwork, industriousness and creativity (sounds familiar to you?) Am I saying that our society is perfect? No, not in a million years. I also did not mention that there are always exceptions to the rule (I’ll let you figure out which, I’m sure you’re smart enough to know that) My point is, in trying to make my point, I have to keep what I write simple. When you write a lot; your reader miss the entire point you’re making.

  —Break—-

  Is our society the perfect meritocracy? No, but name me a nation that comes closer to giving so many people so much opportunity to better their lives, and numbers count here folks. We are at the top and will continue to be for a long time.

  “I agree, we shouldn’t have to legislate equality but as long as we horde and remain selective as to who has clear rights to the path of happiness and prosperity then legislate we must.”

  Who is hoarding these rights again? Is there a omnipotent group of people who control the right to happiness and prosperity I should be talking to? My question to you sir is this. If I am Black, smart, industrious and hardworking. Who is going to stop me from achieving success? I don’t think happiness is a controlled substance (although I could be wrong = ) so no one is going to take that right away from me. I could be dirt poor and the lowest of the low and still be happy, are we agreed? So then, WHO IS GOING TO STOP ME? I’ll give it to you that you are idealistic (I guess we have that in common), but where you lack insight is how the real world actually works. Your idealism will turn into frustration (I’m thinking it already has) because it cannot effect real change in translating ideals into reality. No..for that you must understand human nature much more so than your superficial perspective allows you to.

  “If a person does wrong that individual is who is responsible - not the entire race.”

  Agreed. Why you think I have to be convinced of that, I have no idea. You and I are talking on two different level. Guess who knows more about the other person? I am repeating this again, I know why you hold your views. I used to hold the same views, believe me, but experience has taught me otherwise.

  Do you really believe that there is an all powerful entity out there that dishes out success and happiness? Is that it? Before I recommend you see a shrink. Ask yourself which is the more likely reality (truth)

  A) All powerful “we” who “horde and remain selective as to who has clear rights to the path of happiness and prosperity” (your very words)

  or

  B) “As you reap, so shall you sow”. We work for what we get. With a much better chance of winning than the superlotto, much much better.

  “Every person DESERVES to be equal ESPECIALLY in America.”

  You just singlehandedly made every person give their money to the government. Released every Criminal from jail. Made everyone the same height, weight, color, intelligence (I could go on = ) Welcome to “THE OUTER LIMITS”. Even if you redistributed all the wealths in the world and evenly handed them out to everyone in the world, the result would be the more industrious, skillful and resourceful would in turn accumulate more than the others and rise in social, economic status. You do not know what you wish for. Socialism does not work in reality simply because God (or mother nature for you athiest = ) did not make us all the same and that collectivization is a disincentive for hardwork (you’ve heard about that little experiment haven’t you) Please don’t make me write about economics too. Please, for the love of God, get this silly idea about equality out of your head. I’m beginning to think again about the idea of you seeing a shrink.

  Psychologist Diagnosis: Too much emotion. Emotions cloud your judgment young Skywalker.

  You know, I thought I was going to have a real discussion for a change. It seems this is very much one sided affair. Good luck with the “Everyone should be equal thing” (sigh).

  I mean it

  In all my Christian Loving Kindness.

  But do reserve judgment the next time you decide to label everyone In America A racist.

  Comment by Luke — November 28, 2007 @ 11:18 pm

• Luke,
  I can only assume you live in one of the green areas, hopefully in your life time you will be able to travel. When you travel I do hope you take some time away from the tourist attractions and get out in the community.

  During my time in the Navy I was a Recruiter. I served in Recruiting for 20 years. I recruited in places like Panama City, Fl - Camden, NJ - Haddonfield, NJ - Jackson, MS - Albuquerque, NM - Phoenix, AZ - Boston, MA - Oakland, CA - Santa Rosa, CA - Frankfort, GE - London - Naples, IT - Portland, ME - Seattle, WA - LA - El Paso, TX - Lincoln, NE - Fargo, ND - Louisville, KY - Burlington, VT - I could go on. I have been to the homes and broke bread with people of all races and backgrounds. I have the experience you suggest I do not.

  We can ignore the issues, we can try and explain them away but the fact will still remain that we as a people will not reach our potential until we get everyone involved in the solutions.

  Hording? I am talking about business leaders making a decision about who they hire because of the color of someones skin - I’ll use another Memphis observation. White teenagers are more likely to be working in the Mall where black teenagers are more likely to be working at a fast food establishment.

  Socialism, no. Matter of fact I consider myself a conservative and am a registered Republican. I am not for giving things away and in no way for more government intervention or oversight. I hope for a day, someday, where no matter where you live you are judged because of who you are as an individual and what you can bring to the table.

  Idealistic? Crazy? It may be, but I remember hoping during their 26 game losing streak that someday before I die Tampa Bay Bucs would win a Super Bowl. The coaching staff and the 53 players made a choice to win, it didn’t come easy, they had to work hard and it wasn’t given to them. 53 players of various races worked together for a common goal, why is it so hard to believe that 53 could turn into 53,000 - 53,000,000?

  Talk about the issue, discuss it with your friends, family, total strangers. Talk to people from different races - educate yourself.

  Comment by Ouch — November 29, 2007 @ 12:23 am

• -I wrote in an earlier comment that I live in one of the green zone (SF Bay Area)
  -Outside of my native Vietnam. I have never traveled far beyond the california/nevada area.
  -I have plans to Join the army which will likely take me to many of the non-green zones in your map.
  -Those to me who I have spoken with about this issue (I will ask further question in light of this): My cousin, infantry Sgt. he has stationed in various places in the south and colorado (currently in Iraq). There are many friends and families who have traveled to those non-green areas who I ask. I will certainly make the effort to ask of them. The recruiters Black and White with whom I talk to, some grew up and have family in the south.
  -Your places of travel will have likely given you intuition well beyond any knowledge I can gather from academia or reading.
  -I can’t comment on why White teenagers are working at the malls in memphis while Black teenagers at fast food restaurants. Never been there. Care to explain?

  “I hope for a day, someday, where no matter where you live you are judged because of who you are as an individual and what you can bring to the table.”

  The ideals of our nation, that which anyone who has a spark of justice in their heart will agree.

  “We can ignore the issues, we can try and explain them away but the fact will still remain that we as a people will not reach our potential until we get everyone involved in the solutions.”

  Start small and do what you can. However, there may be bigger problems to deal with, it may not be that we are ignoring these issues. Irregardless, we may be faced with more daunting problems. We may be too busy stopping the bleeding to get to the mortal wound. I don’t know. I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t know where the larger solution lie. However, I still don’t think that racism is as prevalent and as entrenched as you suggest it to be. Though I admit, I am a complete ignoramus. If institutional racism so you suggest still hold such deep roots, why isn’t someone suing these companies, individuals or whomever involved.

  -I keep an open mind to everything you say, but I have a hard time believing that the majority of my fellow Americans somehow take a kneejerk response to people they deal with everyday base solely on the color of their skin rather than dealing with each other on an individual basis and assessment. I suspect that they may even act more defensively towards people who are black, but still do so according to circumstance.

  -If people in the non-green areas are overtly racist, there is more at issue than just simple racism. Those racist views must be reinforced in their day to day experience somehow.
  -Can you answer me this then.
  If you are black, smart, hard-working and living in the south what are the barriers you face to achieving success and finding happiness? I can think of a few off the top of my head. Lack of father (the single most important obstacle I think), lack of strong social fabric. These two factors alone can cripple the brightest of minds. How big a factor is racism in compounding the issues faced by black considering how staggering the impact of the two things I mentioned? Surely they are not greater than any of the above. Leaving poverty out of this equation (to more accurately reflect the effects of racism) can racism have a greater impact than being born out of wedlock or lack of social fabric?

  Comment by Luke — November 29, 2007 @ 2:39 am

• To Baron

  I’m sorry if I missed your question earlier.

  “Luke please explain how the black racists are more dangerous than the white ones, or any kind of racists for that matter.”

  It is more dangerous if it is not even treated as a problem or ignored completely by the media. The majority of the news I hear are of White racist, black victims. However, media coverage is virtually non-existent of how racist Blacks can be towards whites. If you follow the links I gave at the beginning, you begin to realize how little attention has been given to this issue. I am not saying by any means that racism committed by one group is more dangerous simply because they are done by a certain race. Killing by one group is equally vicious if done by another group. However, the racism I perceive from whites to me seems to be kept in checked to a degree (disliking Blacks and maybe deciding to hire a white person instead) and then the Black racism which seems like it is less kept in checked and so unrestrained (outright riots and killing solely base on race) L.A. Watts is the example I think of. To me, most whites do not have a bond of hatred for Blacks. However, I cannot say the same for Blacks, though it is by no means a majority of people. It certainly scares me more because of how pervasive the feeling is.

  The first link is well worth the read.

  Comment by Luke — November 29, 2007 @ 3:00 am

• “-If people in the non-green areas are overtly racist, there is more at issue than just simple racism.”

  Not everyone is overtly racist - I am suggesting those areas have more instances of it.

  “Those racist views must be reinforced in their day to day experience somehow.”
  Sad to say, but its taught. In some areas whites attend private schools and blacks attend the public schools - not necessarily for a better education but because that’s the way it has been since the schools were desegregated. In a lot of places its habit, its just they way things are.

  “If you are black, smart, hard-working and living in the south what are the barriers you face to achieving success and finding happiness? I can think of a few off the top of my head. Lack of father (the single most important obstacle I think), lack of strong social fabric…”

  There are many Black Americans who achieve great success in business, family and life in general. Who knows, not that I would vote Democrat :), our next President may be a Man who happens to be black.

  A metaphor -
  If you tie a chain around an elephant’s leg and secure the chain so the elephant can only venture a limited distance - over time the elephant will believe in the limit, you can take off the chain and replace it with a string. The strength of the elephant could easily break the string but the mind has a built in limit because of the chains long time hold. In a lot of cases, not all, the only limit is the belief of what can be accomplished. Individuals who want to hold us back due to the color of our skin are nothing more than a piece of string that only has the power/strength our mind allows.

  Comment by Ouch — November 29, 2007 @ 3:35 am

• I like the analogy. A very good analogy indeed.

  How dangerous though is this elephant to it’s master and his family? Your elephant has been hardwired to believe humans = bad. Do you know how hard it is to tame wild animals that remembers how it was beaten?

  Think more about how little power that string has on the elephant. You will see the wisdom of your elephant analogy.

  I can’t help but understand your points, but this is something that I have given much thought to.

  Despite my lack of travel to the darker areas of the map. I can assure you that I have dealt with racism, california has little microcosms of the darker areas as well. I do not lack sympathy for the plight of decent people. I have volunteered at many homeless shelters, family shelters and soup kitchens, I have walked the streets of the tenderloin district handing out clothes with our church group. I am not bumbling tourist who can’t see the inner workings of the poor and destitute.

  I do not know how to make it more clear.

  I understand your views. It is base on emotions and not facts and reality. You think that changing the white attitude will somehow make the problems of a broken black culture go away. If every racist in our nation was to be neutral in the views of race Today (Neutral is the key here), what makes you think it will change anything for blacks?

  You are so focus on the hostile-noncombatant mother who yells and screams at you, that you divert all your efforts in making her stop yelling, and ignores the 14 year old child who sneaks into the house quietly to grab his gun and kill you.

  Your southern whites are not the immediate problem sir. I try to distinguish between race if I can, but it is hard when trying race tags so closely along with culture. I treat people as individuals, but to deal with the reality, I am left with generalizations about groups because I cannot make up a category for each individual, you must trust that I am intelligent enough to see that on the individual level, I cannot judge far without taking the situation of that person into account. However, when dealing with larger groups (populations) I have to concede to reality as to how that group is faring.

  you have not shown me that you have more information at hand than I do. Our individual perspective vary, but I understand what you mean, but you do not understand me.

  If southern racist suddenly decided on day to start lynching Blacks in mass, then I will concede that the immediate problems are southern racist.

  So what is the reality then, what are the current and IMMEDIATE dangers to our civil society and the individuals in our society today?

  Crime right? Violent crime no doubt. Of which here is the data of the reality that we live in.

  http://www.amren.com/colorofcrime/color.pdf

  http://www.fredoneverything.net/Diversity.shtml

  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1522114/posts

  http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005151.html

  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/716979/posts

  Links I am reposting.

  If you were the mayor of memphis, with limited money at your disposal, what will you take care of first? Crime or education?
  We live in a world with finite resources (that includes human capital). In order to get the most return for the limited resources, you do not go about asking yourself, what would be nice to have? But rather, what is my biggest problem right now? and what is the best way to fix it? (Going back my soldier analogy)
  Wishful thinking fails in this regard, because it cannot effect the greatest result for the limited means. Only cold calculation and a reality check can suffice. Doctors and nurses know this very well, limited resources, hard decisions (triage), the doctor with the best situational analysis saves the most lives.

  In order for us to reach the ideal America you speak of, we must put this survival mindset to practice in our laws and resource allocation schemes.

  Though you and I both see where we ought to be. I see the rational steps that needs to be taken in order to get there. You are still having a hard time accepting the reality of the world we live in.

  Read the first link I have in this post if you haven’t done so. Then ask yourself, what is the biggest problem facing our society today? If you want to know more, read the second post by Fred Reed I provided, he knows crime and is not racist by any means, by reading what he has to write, you have to determine for yourself his views and values through deduction.

  Comment by Luke — November 29, 2007 @ 1:06 pm

• I’m not sure where my last post went. I hope I don’t have to rewrite it, as it was not short.

  Comment by Luke — November 29, 2007 @ 1:30 pm

• @Luke
  Now I have some links for you. Your first link is published in a white separatist periodical. The head guy Jared Taylor denies the Holocaust even happened.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Century_Foundation
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Taylor
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Renaissance_%28magazine%29

  I do hope you are not basing your beliefs of the misinformation and misguided conclusions of these idiots. They are some of the people I am talking about that “horde and exclude”. It is they that need to be purged.

  [EDIT]And Fred Reed makes a living at writing to be offensive.[EDIT]

  Comment by Ouch — November 29, 2007 @ 2:08 pm

• You dismiss Fred too easily, I don’t think an idiot can write with the level of insight he provides.

  Read a few more of his article and form your own opinion about the man, instead of dismissing him outright.

  http://www.fredoneverything.net/Mayonnaise.shtml

  Jared Taylor, if he does deny the holocaust, then shame on him. I do not know enough from Wiki’s article to make any honest assessment of the man. If his credibility is suspect to you then I do not blame you for ignoring him. I read the points he makes and agree or disagree base on what I know of human nature. Here are his credentials on Wiki.

  “Samuel Jared Taylor (b. 1951) of Oakton, Virginia, is an American journalist and an advocate of racialist theories to explain the sociological and economic problems associated with non-whites, particularly blacks, in Western countries. [1] Taylor is the editor of American Renaissance, a journal that addresses issues of race, immigration and their impact on societies in which whites co-exist with non-whites. He is the president of the parent organization, New Century Foundation, and a former director of the National Policy Institute, a Washington-based think tank. He is a former member of the advisory board of Occidental Quarterly.

  Born to missionary parents in Japan, Taylor lived in that country until he was 16 years old. He graduated from Yale University in 1973 with a BA in Philosophy, and graduated from Institut d’Etudes Politiques de Paris (Sciences Po) in 1978 with a MA in International economics. Taylor speaks fluent English, Japanese and French. In the 1980s, Taylor was West Coast editor of PC Magazine and a consultant before founding the American Renaissance periodical in 1990. Taylor has taught Japanese to summer school students at Harvard University.”

  Mr. Taylor seems to be taking the easy way out in trying to deal with race relations by making it a non-issue, but there are hints of truths in what he is advocating that makes sense to me.

  In dealing with human relations, homogeneity makes social harmony much much easier. Social harmony can be achieved in other ways: through understanding (what you understand, you do not fear); which require intelligence, insight, willingness to learn, empathy, and a host of other qualities (I rate intelligence and empathy highly in this regard).

  When I speak of homogeneity, there are many forms of homogeneity. Just look at the way people have divided themselves in this country between: Rich/poor, Black/White, educated/uneducated and even within these sets are subsets and even further subsets. Now as yourself this, if human beings keep dividing themselves into group after group after group, what are the chances that we will ever get along so long as we feel loyalty to one group or another? And what is there to hold us human beings together?

  Simple. There is a single, most powerful bond of homogeneity than any of the above. Can you guess what it is?

  A COMMON GOAL: where we are closest to acting as a single mind.

  Ever wonder how a nation that seems as divided as ours in peace time, can come together like clockwork in extreme times: like a war or terrorist attacks? And, have you ever wondered how easily people can be divided by very petty things? It all comes down to our very simple human nature.

  You can practically write a book on how the nation came together after December 7th, 1941 and a small paperback on how it came together after 9/11.

  Through this, I hope you look with a new light on how powerful a force homogeneity is to our human nature.

  Now to crime.

  Three words comes to mind.

  Opportunity, Opportunity, Opportunity.

  There is much to be said on this topic. Some ideas you yourself might dismiss outright, because you may consider them taboo or just does not line up with your ideal world view. In order to have an intelligent conversation about this topic, you must learn to open your mind to new ideas and consider them base on their merit, and actually take time to consider them and discuss it openly without shying away from it because your views might change somehow if you accept them. whether you choose to ignore them after you have honestly considered them is fine. I will certainly as that you explain your reasoning carefully to me and I will certainly share my reasoning with you.

  I am not as uninformed as you might think.

  My views are base on reality.

  I will try to give more information that is not tainted by the views of racist. You however, must not dismiss every view presented without either debunking it’s reasoning, or countering the reliability of the source (what you just did). I will now try to provide you with data that we can both agree on is without biase.

  This is still a very one sided discussion.

  You have just nullified those links I provided as evidence, you still need to nullify my reasoning.

  My assertion is still there.

  Where are the immediate threats?

  Is it the white southern racist? (the ranks of which we might have to add Mr. Jared Taylor to = ) I’m not sure yet = )

  Notice that when I say white southern racist. You understood completely what I meant. Or at least you got enough to realize that I was not accusing every White southern man, woman and child of racism. Here are a few points I hope we can agree on.

  -Large percentage of criminals are Blacks right? Do you agree?
  -am I saying that all blacks are criminals? NO. If you have paid attention to what I wrote you would have known that.

  This so far is very much a one sided discussion.

  My analysis of the situation is much more complex than I can hope to explain to you (i am not that articulate).

  Please feel free to correct me if you see any failure of logic. Also, do keep in mind that I keep things simple because my thoughts will take up endless pages and I don’t think that would be productive in anyway.

  feel free to email me if you want to discuss this further, or rip my arguments to shreds. I am always willing to learn.

  scutum.fidei@gmail.com

  So far, I’m disappointed that this discussion has been so one sided.

  Comment by Luke — November 30, 2007 @ 1:28 am

• What a wonderful world it could be if we all got along.

  I will be busy the next two day and will probably not have time to respond to you until Sunday.

  In the mean while,

  I hope you don’t take offense to anything I say. Our goals are the same. I won’t try to convince you furthermore. I only hope that you will be tireless in your stand against racism every where, tempered by the wisdom that seeks truth in everyday reality that you experience.

  God Bless

  “But now God hath thus ordered it, that we may learn to bear one another’s burden; for no man is without fault; no man but hath his burden; no man sufficient of himself; no man wise enough of himself; but we ought to bear with one another, comfort one another, help, instruct, and admonish one another.
  Occasions of adversity best discover how great virtue or strength each one hath.
  For occasions do not make a man frail, but they show what he is”

  Thomas Kempis (1380-1471)

  The Imitation of Christ

  Comment by Luke — November 30, 2007 @ 2:06 am

• I will never agree that a race, any race, should be singled out as a threat. Individuals make choices - it is the individuals who should be held accountable.

  “I am not as uninformed as you might think. My views are base on reality.”

  In comment number 23 you informed all of us on your ignorance of the subject. In no way have you in a day been able to increase your knowledge to a point where an intelligent conversation could continue. You are only now spewing information you think is credible - it is a little disturbing that you are willing to form and maintain an opinion about about an entire race of people and not do the research into who is actually writing the material. If you did know from whom you were getting the information from then you have been disingenuous further deteriorating your own credibility.

  Comment by Ouch — November 30, 2007 @ 11:28 am

• At Ouch and Luke:

  Ouch. this is the single least accurate map i have ever seen. First of all, you are basing your views of an entire area based on the actions of just one or two people.I live in New York, one of the blue areas on your map. I am half black, and half white (yes, my parents named me Race). I have never encountered ANY sort of racism in this or any of the other blue areas I’ve visited. I, like you have been to Panama city, but i founnd it the same as NY. Yes, i have overheard black people saying the cliche phrase “the white man is keeping me down”. this phrase is not about saying that white people are evil. when they refer to “the white man” they are referring to the people in economic and political power, who are almost enitrely white. It’s not racist to say the politician are white, because they mostly are. It’s also not racist to say that gangsters are blakc (because most of them are, in america at least), but it IS racist to say taht black people are gangsters, just as its racist to say that white people are rich greedy politicians. this is because the later two of these comments are making generalizations based on race. talking about race is not racist. As much as you want issues based on race to magically dissapear, they still exist. Just like to believe that absolute equality would solve anything. It’s not racism that causes a high percentage of black Americans to live in poverty. it’s economics. until you realize that you can’t blame America’s problem on racism, you will never make any sense. Like other’s ahve said, racism goes two ways. blacks hate whites as much as its the otehr way around. However, to say that baclks fight racism with violence is racist in itself.
  “Diversity is not about counting heads, it is about making heads count!” no. to even say that diversity is about anything is to say taht ahving multiple races rather than just one is better, or worse. The problem, as luke said, is in CULTURE, not RACE. educated yourself. Also you ARE a white man. white is an adjective, and if you truely believe in what you say, it means no more than being a white man with blonde hair or brown hair.

  at luke: while i agree with most of your points, i disagree with how you present them. First of all, you soldier analogy is awful. nwhat is the ammo supposed to represent? hostile thoughts? Also, to say taht white racist southerners are not a threat, DOES imply that that blacks are a threat. yes, i understand that you mean to say that from history we can see that blacks riot when they perform acts of racial hate, but so do white southerners. read up on the early KKK.

  While i believe that you both are using way too much words to say a simple point, kudos to both of you. Luke, you are proof that the ’stupid-racist-christian’ stereotype isnt true. Ouch, i admire you for standing your ground for so long even though everyone disagrees with you. good job.

  since i probably wont be checking back on this post for a wile, you can contact me at paleoboy1993@aol.com: my email address.

  Comment by Race — December 2, 2007 @ 11:40 am

• Ouch, I never made the connection that Blacks automatically makes you Dangerous. I repeat, I have NEVER said that. You are speaking from emotions, and your maps shows it, though base on your experience, ignores the very human experience that everyday people go through. I made a mistake in trying to be simple in my explanation to you. For that we have come to this regretful misunderstanding, from this point on I will show you what I truly mean by I CANNOT EXPLAIN IT TO YOU IN WORDS ALONE. Do you think I am some racist who reads an article, see the simple superficial logic in it and declares that Blacks = Bad. Fine, if you want to attack me base on that, attack my logic, attack my evidence, attack my reasoning. You have attack my evidence once, reread my response after that, I have told you that I will throw that out for the sake of our discussion. But I can easily bring in facts; which anyone will not disagree with. If I was to look at the FBI database for the nation, what will that statistics tell me: that the majority of the violent crime offenders are males?

  Now, if I was to query a search on which race of people statistically commits a greater percentage of crime, what would that tell me? That they are going to be black?
  This is FACT sir, I am not making this up in my head. Do you have evidence to refute this? If so, why are we even arguing about this? Reason: you automatically assume that I equate Black = Uncivilized criminals. This I don’t, I have put much thought into this. Even though all the evidence before me suggest that there is a strong link between the two, I do not make that connection. However, what will the average American think? How will the average person who goes about their day to day life think when they see a large prison population full of Blacks? How will the average person feel when the majority of their encounters with this group of people have been neutral, or bad. Do you know why I think we have a bigger problem then some white southern racist? It is not because I think we need to focus on black crime. It is CRIME that is a threat, or moral degradation which ever you prefer. Now, how do you approach any problem that is on a scale as big as our country? I am not going to even try to explain that problem to you, the level of detail that I will have to go into to explain everything to you so that you do not misunderstand what I am saying would be obsurd and counterproductive. If my instincts are correct, I am already talking on deaf ears. But heres another lesson if you are willing to listen, in science, a law must explain 100% of what is observe in real life. 100%, not 99.9999%, if a billion experiments were made and I found 1 exception out of a billion test, I don’t call it a day and say, oh well, it’s good enough…I throw out the entire theory. In an ideal world, every human being will be as rational and self-aware of their nature as to take time and think before acting on their basic instincts and make a choice base on reason, tempered by love and carried out in humility. However, we do not live in that world, our very environments dictates how rational a human being can be (do you understand?). Our minds are tied to our bodies. Now, I take you back to an earlier comment made by someone about human progress, it says something along the lines of progress as a group. We make progress as a group, otherwise nothing gets done.

  In Post 31,

  You tell me that I do not do my research into who writes the materials. I agree, I do not know who wrote those materials, and I still don’t. You found in your google search that Jared Taylor is the head of the organization. So what? Does that mean that the information is wrong? You attacked the man, what do you say of the evidence? I do not have time to do this research myself, I do not have access to FBI databases and materials, although I could do this myself, what would that tell me? Exactly what I already know, would it not? I disagree with Mr. Taylor’s analysis base on what wiki tells me, but before I talk to him; I will reserve my opinion of the man. If this was a debate, at this particular point, I would be ahead of you Ouch. I give evidence and reason, you give me neat predictable responses that are little more than personal attacks base on your own emotions. I have been a little emotional in my responses to your map, but only because I think It is enormously unfair to my fellow Americans that you lump them all into your racist/nonracist map. Forgive me if I sound harsh or vain in any way. I am human after all. If you insist on still attacking me, instead of rationally debating my points, consider this my last response. I will accept what I cannot change and move on. It would be much easier if I can SHOW you what I mean, but I cannot, but you must rest assure that I understand all too well what you mean.

  Comment by Luke — December 4, 2007 @ 3:45 am

• “If this was a debate, at this particular point, I would be ahead of you Ouch.”

  In some parts of the country this would be harder or even impossible ONLY because you are Asian. And that is what I have a big problem with. That make my position a little more clear?

  “I am very much privy to your point of view. I used to hold the same views as you. I hope you might at least read the first link before responding to me.”

  In your first post you implied you changed your views because of the writings of the first paper which was published in a white separatist periodical. Believing in the conclusions written in that publication would be like molding your life after the book Mein Kampf.

  “If you insist on still attacking me, instead of rationally debating my points, consider this my last response.”

  Thank you for your input.

  Comment by Ouch — December 4, 2007 @ 9:24 am

• I live in the Aloha state, which you showed in the map as “not an issue”, however, that is partially inaccurate. The pure Hawaiians generally are upset that all the other races have taken over their land - and rightfully so. They have been trodden down - lowest paid, unhealthiest, etc. Being a “newcomer” to Hawaii, I have felt quite a bit of racism unfortunately, but I try to understand why the people feel that way and have studied to know what actually happened. They are similar to the American Indians who were forced of their lands and have lost so much because someone else came in and felt it was their right to own the land. Injustices were done and it still lives on in their hearts. We need to learn to forgive and be tolerant of others.

  Comment by elayne — December 9, 2007 @ 3:56 pm

• @Elayne,

  Thank you for visiting. I have Hawaii in pink not green mainly for the issues you describe.

  Comment by Ouch — December 9, 2007 @ 5:46 pm

• Good work on the map. It is *close* to what I have seen. My suggested corrections: Akron/Cleveland should be pink. A thin strip from NYC directly north to Canada should be pink. Most of the rest of NY and PA should be blue, except for Ithaca, Philly, Pitt, and State College. Much of Kansas should be blue. Maybe there shouldn’t be so much green along all of the pacific coast, certainly not through rural Oregon.

  Comment by Dave — May 7, 2008 @ 9:35 pm

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